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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that a flying here has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the RA they would change the game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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and a GRA

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with jimmy touch only game change in

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fade to black this boat radio for the

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masses Yemen today's Tuesday October 3rd

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276 days into the new year just 89 days

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left and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down each stead westdoor that's how far

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network in kg RA the

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing got the

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Eugene Levy gift going here man that's

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that's gonna get a retweet

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every single time thank you for that

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Jason very cool all right tonight's back

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with this very special guest Larry

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Holcomb is weaved here now kids have

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been on the show for almost three years

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three years so he's back and we've got

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some really cool stuff that we're gonna

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be talking about tonight but his book

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that the presidents and UFOs is

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incredible so we're gonna talk about

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that we're gonna talk about the life and

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times of Larry in and how this got done

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and we always need to do that so tonight

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but during our last conversation which

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was you know like three years ago there

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was a revelation that happened during

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that show and it was incredible and it

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stopped both Larry and I in our tracks

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because of what was discussed now there

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is some follow-up a major follow-up to

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that so we're gonna reset everything

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tonight we're gonna go back and I'm

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gonna reset how we got into that

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and we're gonna find out what Larry has

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uncovered so get ready it's going to be

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an amazing conversation tonight he is

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such a cool guy and tomorrow night I

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gilliland is gonna be here now there has

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been a bunch of recent videos that were

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shot up at ESET II we posted one of them

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what is going on up at ESET e the videos

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are incredible I'll say I'm gonna see if

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I can have a couple of special guests

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stop by tomorrow night okay and so

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that's Wednesday then Thursday is

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another Fator night with Jon Rappoport

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and his no more fake newsroom live

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followed by open lines all night long

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and then Friday I'm over at

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coast-to-coast

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got called up from the farm team and I'm

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okay so that'll be Friday night and I'm

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bringing on the one and only you ready

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Damon T berry the man with the pipes so

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Damon T berry is gonna be there Friday

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night followed by open line so we've got

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a pretty busy full week this week and

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to go and find it search Jimmy Church

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whatever you need it'll take you there

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there yet man I love River moon coffee

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couple of things on Monday now I am NOT

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going to right now reveal things I will

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via email a little bit a little bit I

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will expose more in about two days but

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doing what we did today yes we made the

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announcement on Mondays show our

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night-vision goggle company sponsorship

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partnership is gonna be announced okay

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so get ready for that this is a very

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very very big deal we are very excited

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about this I went through email today

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things and Facebook and and I

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phaidor nots that want these and you

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announcement is here and right as I said

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that right as I said that another email

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came in let me know how to send payment

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for the night-vision goggles

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excited that that announcement will be

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on Monday and you guys are going to be

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so happy you guys are really gonna trip

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it's really really really great okay so

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that's gonna happen on Monday

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the only reason why we're not doing the

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full-on announcement right now just so

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you know the web pages that this company

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it's a large company as a big company

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there's a corporation like a real one

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the pages inside of their website are

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done and finished there's just some

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day tomorrow and it might be ready by

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Thursday and we need to just make sure

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everything is right and then go through

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the weekend and so on Monday we'll be

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done and ready to go okay we've got some

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cool artwork and some other stuff that

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we got to do but everything else is done

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and ready including the goggles okay

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that the hard stuff is out of the way

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and we've been working on this behind

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the scenes and here we go so get ready

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that announcement is on Monday alright

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hashtag if to be on Twitter for all of

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that have heard about the show right

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Twitter you've heard you've heard the

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news Richard just said I want the

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everybody's gonna be happy

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fade to black night-vision goggles yeah

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those are cool I would take these right

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here is that Sherlock Holmes or is that

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is that is that national treasure

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man that's really cool whatever that

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right where am i we got to give the show

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Kraken here okay hashtag f2b is the

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sandbox on twitter any questions or

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got some breaking news before I roll on

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today the meatless Impossible burger

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right it doesn't even sound right coming

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off the ton the

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impossible burger has arrived in

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Pittsburgh PA and are you ready

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it has soy hemoglobin I just threw up in

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my mouth just a little bit just saying

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that I just did it again

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soy hemoglobin I just did it again

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I'm throwing up in my mouth everybody on

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the bunker cam conceived say soy

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hemoglobin you just throw up in your

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just like that soy fake blood is what

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it tasty for vegetarians now I gotta say

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this if you are vegetarian and you so

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love red meat and the taste of blood go

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eat some meat burger it makes you feel

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better get some grass-fed organic beef

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buy you know from some cow that is happy

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a happy cow but soy hemoglobin is so

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microphone I can't even say it

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and I remember it so I looked at the

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photograph of this thing today right and

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it's a it looks like a real burger right

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it looks like it is grill and it's

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bloody in the middle of Mike Wow

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you know but I and I was thinking all

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kinds of weird thoughts you know I was

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thinking something a little more basic

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like red food coloring in some water you

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know and they dropped it in there to

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give the visual illusion of blood and

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you know that would convince that would

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convince the senses right you bite into

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it you see but so I he mo globin just

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threw up again got my microphone is

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nasty I got that is just gross and so as

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a vegetarian I'm gonna tell you you

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vegetarians if you are eating soy

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hemoglobin on your it

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your burger to get it done for yourself

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you're fake you're not a real you're not

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a real vegetarian you're not you are not

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just quit faking it go to in and out oh

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this is in Pittsburgh there's got to be

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there's got to be some kind of burger

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place there man some burger shack

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there's got to be a Shake Shack a Shake

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I just keep throwing that in my mouth so

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I hemoglobin okay all right don't forget

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to subscribe to our podcast where we

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don't use anything with no fake blood in

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where we have over 730 archive shows

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just two dollars a month two dollars a

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two dollars a month we're not telling

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to do something to give it no we work

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hard on this show so just find it inside

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of yourself to just scrape together two

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what is $2 a month that is if it's $3 a

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month what would that be ten cents a day

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so it's two dollars what is that six

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cents a day or something some ridiculous

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amount of money just and you get the

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podcast man a real beautiful apps and

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software and it's uploaded every single

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day just go subscribe to the podcast two

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dollars a month okay that's all nothing

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is free here you know we're not trying

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to ask for donations it's just two

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dollars a month go and do it and if you

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want you can become an official phaidor

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not like this announcement for the

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night-vision goggles which is going to

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happen on Monday but we're gonna

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announce it to all of the fader not

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everybody that I have got the secret

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fader not email too is gonna get it in

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advance because membership does have its

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privileges and yes I just said it and I

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did steal it

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what's that visa

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American Express membership hack can't

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even remember but I stole it but just go

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to our membership area okay commercial

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free downloadable archives you get

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t-shirts autograph hat to get all of

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that stuff you get the bunker cam every

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single night okay and it's right there

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so go to the membership area and don't

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forget to check out all of our sponsors

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you right now the last thing I did

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before I went to bed last night

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the last thing last thing left the

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bunker got home you know what Reed and I

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did pounded a glass of life change tea

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and I'm gonna tell you right now we were

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alone in the kitchen alone in the

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kitchen and I said to Rita alone nobody

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else is around us no fader no no nothing

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they'll spot nobody that were alone and

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I said to Rita that is the best thing

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that is the tastiest thing ever it's

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that good and I'm just I'm just sitting

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there with Rita my love it's that good

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all right now just expect a you know

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nice visit to the bathroom that first

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day but after that all smooth sailing

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okay happy birthday to today

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stick man Tommy Lee is 55 one of the

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funniest men in the world I always do

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this every show right it seems like I

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have the funniest man in the world on

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the show every day having a birthday and

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today it's Sean William Scott

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love that guy 41 years old actor Clive

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Owen today is 53 he's really good in

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that movie yeah what is it

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the last night's a pretty good movie

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actually plays the drunk you know King

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Arthur did pretty good

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Chubby Checker today is 76 and one of

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the best guitarists on the planet that

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you have never heard of and I'm not

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kidding about this Red Hot Chili Peppers

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guitarist Josh Klinghoffer is 38 and he

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is mine bending he's that good

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Josh happy birthday our dead guys

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birthday today is moment of silence

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please Stevie Ray Vaughan 1954 to 1990

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died tragically at the age of 35 one of

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the greatest if not the greatest blues

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guitarists ever in spite of that

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short-lived mainstream career that

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spanned just six or seven years that's

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it he was one of the most influential

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guitars in the history of the world on

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august 26 1990 vaughn performed with

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Eric Clapton at the Alpine Valley Music

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Theatre in East Troy Wisconsin some of

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the musicians boarded for Chicago bound

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helicopters which were waiting on a

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nearby golf course Vaughan along the

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three members of Eric Clapton's

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entourage boarded the third of the four

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helicopters the helicopter took off at

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around 1250 a.m. turned left towards a

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150 foot ski hill adjacent to the golf

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course and then collided with the hill

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approximately fifty feet from the summit

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all on board were killed instantly

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I know I know he's rocking up there

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right now you know think about it David

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Bowie let's dance

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and how Stevie shredded on that bowie

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passing away last year what do you think

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the first thing Bowie said to Vaughan

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when he got up there right you know you

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know what I'm saying

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God who would have thought that those

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two would not be with us today

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all right on this day in history OTD

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River Moon coffee ships their first bag

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of Phaeton two black blend to the bunker

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that sounded good though Oh TD on this

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day in history in 1942 German rocket

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scientists of vana

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von Braun launches the v2 rocket from

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Pina Monday off of German need off the

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Germany's Baltic coast but this is

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what's crazy 1942 think about what he

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was doing just 20 years later 20 years

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two decades a couple of days 20 years

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later they were building rockets to go

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to the moon think about that 20 years

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yeah they had some help

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Fator fact October 1st two days ago

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October 1st was the two hundred and

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seventy fourth day of the year and the

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Las Vegas Massacre was the two hundred

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and seventy third mass shooting of 2017

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in the United States

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now the FBI their own definition of a

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mass killing is three or more people in

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the same location their definition of a

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mass murderer is killing four or more

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people at the same time in the same

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location also strange right the number

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is three and four but the number that I

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just gave you it's the two hundred and

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seventy third mass shooting not killing

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not stabbing not not killed by cyanide

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kool-aid no two hundred and seventy

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third mass shooting in the United States

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which is three or more people at the

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same location in two hundred and seventy

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four days that is our fate of fact

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now our Fader fact today was sobering

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and I get that I'm not trying to freak

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anybody out here I'm not I'm just trying

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to present the numbers and yes

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there are just numbers that represent

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what is going on inside of the United

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States

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when you hear that number 273 mass

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shootings shootings not killings

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shootings not car act not no no

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shootings you would think that that

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number is worldwide and I got those

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questions today and I got the emails

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because I posted this up on on Facebook

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I had to and you know

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oh you mean worldwide right no no no the

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FBI defines a mass killing as the

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killing of three or more people in a

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public place but the federal agency also

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defines a mass murder as someone who has

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killed four or more people in the same

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location now the first time I had ever

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heard the term mass shooting was here in

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California back in 1984 and and listen

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to me this this thing that is going on

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with these these mass shootings it seems

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like it's a modern problem it does it is

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not because the first time I heard about

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it was in 1984 the San Ysidro McDonald's

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massacre on July 18th 1980 for now the

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perp was 41 year old James Hubert and he

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shot and killed 21 people and injured 19

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others before being shot by a SWAT team

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sniper by the way now this is 1984 and I

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and I remember I'm thinking San Ysidro

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where is that you know and and and I

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heard it on the radio and then then it's

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on the news and I'm watching it I'm

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seeing and I'm thinking why why would

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somebody you know why would somebody do

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this walk into a McDonald's right at

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that time the shooting ranked as the

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deadliest mass shooting committed in the

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United States ever currently today it is

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the sixth most deadly mass shooting in

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US history on July 15th 1984 three days

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before the shooting Huberty commented to

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his

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wife her name is Aetna that he suspected

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that he might have a mental problem

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three days before two days later on July

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17th he called a mental health clinic

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requesting an appointment leaving his

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contact details with the receptionist he

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was assured that the clinic would return

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his call within hours according to his

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wife he sat quietly beside the telephone

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for several hours awaiting for the

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return call before abruptly walking out

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of the family home and writing to an

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unknown destination on his motorcycle

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unbeknownst to Huberty the receptionist

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had misspelled his name as Schubert II

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his plight demeanor conveyed no sense of

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immediate urgency to the operator and

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therefore the call was logged as a non

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crisis inquiry to be handled within the

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next 48 hours approximately one hour

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later you really returned home he seemed

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contented after eating dinner he his

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wife and their two daughters aged 12 and

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10 got on their bikes and they went bike

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riding to a nearby park

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later that evening he and Edna watched a

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film together

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the following morning Wednesday July

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18th Huberty took his wife and daughters

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to the San Diego Zoo in the course of

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the walk he told his wife that his life

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was over referring to the mental health

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clinics failure to return his phone call

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the previous day he said well and I'm

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quoting here Society had their chance

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after eating lunch at McDonald's

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restaurant in Claremont a neighborhood

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in San Diego the here Bertie's returned

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home shortly thereafter he walked into

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his bedroom asked his wife who was

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laying on the couch and said laying on

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the bed and said I want to kiss you

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good-bye

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Edna asked him where he was going which

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he replied I'm going to hunt humans

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carrying a bundle wrapped in a checkered

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blanket Huberty looked toward his elder

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daughter her name was zalaya and he

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walked for to the front door and said

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goodbye I won't be back he then drove

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down

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San Ysidro Boulevard now according to

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eyewitnesses

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he drove first towards the big bear suit

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the supermarket and then towards the

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United States Post Office before

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entering the parking lot of a McDonald's

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restaurant located approximately 200

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yards from his apartment now at

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approximately 356 p.m. on July 18th

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James Hubert II drove his Black Mercury

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Marquis into the parking lot of the

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McDonald's restaurant on San Ysidro

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Boulevard in his possession were a nine

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millimeter browning HP semi-automatic a

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nine millimeter Izzy a winchester

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12-gauge pump-action shotgun and the

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cloth bag filled with hundreds of rounds

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of ammunition for each weapon now at

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that time a total of 45 customers were

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present inside the restaurant I'm not

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gonna go into those details it's well

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documented what happened next was

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unbelievable the incident itself lasted

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for 78 minutes during which time Hubert

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II fired a minimum of 245 rounds killing

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20 people and wounding 20 others one of

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whom died the following day now what is

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interesting here during the killing he

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stopped and turned on the radio to

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listen to music he had already killed a

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dozen people at this point and injured a

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dozen others people were hiding he

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turned up the radio and then continued

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shooting anybody that was injured he

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killed that was almost 35 years ago the

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term mass shooting is nothing new is it

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you know think about this it seems like

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this is a modern thing it is not and

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with this much time passing you would

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think that we would understand more

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about what drives someone who

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iterally goes to the zoo with his family

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rides bikes in the park and then just

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goes out and shoots every person that

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they see I can't explain it

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what is the cause now I realize that

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right now the information in details

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about who Steven paddock is and the Las

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Vegas Massacre who he was his background

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it opens up all of the conspiracy ideas

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and it should it really should

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but what happened back in 1984 think

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about this back then nobody shouted

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conspiracy false flag MKULTRA why I

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don't know but I still will never forget

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that day in 1984 when I heard the news

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about the McDonald's in San Ysidro

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California and here we are almost 35

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years later and we know nothing more

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about what drives this this is fade to

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gonna be right back with our guest

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Larry Holcomb the president's and UFOs

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all right everybody welcome back fade to

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night very special presentation with

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ranch some amazing footage has been shot

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over the last week up there we've posted

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one video and we've got some more stuff

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that we're gonna present tomorrow night

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so come and join us with james gilliland

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tomorrow night thursday is gonna be

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another Fator night with Jon Rappoport

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and there's no more fake newsroom

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followed by open lines all night long

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and then Friday night I'm over at

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coast-to-coast gonna sit him for George

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he's taking the night off and my guess

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will be Damon T Barry followed by open

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lines nothing like a Thursday night fade

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to black open lines and then rolling

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down the street to the coast-to-coast

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studios to do open lines over there so

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two nights of open lines and it's just a

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so much fun for me to do so come and

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hang out with us but tonight Larry

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Holcomb is back with us and his

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introduction of the world of ufology

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came in the late 1950s after reading two

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of major Donald Kehoe's books flying

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saucers are real which is what everybody

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should start reading as they get into

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our community and flying saucers real

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and flying saucers from outer space but

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in 2006 he took early retirement and

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started his first novel the great river

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disclosure a thriller based on the

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government cover-up of an

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extraterrestrial president president's

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visiting here on earth his second novel

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in the disclosure trilogy is Satan's

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angel the president's in UFOs a secret

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history from FDR to Obama was released

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by st. Martin's Press in March 2015 the

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softcover and a new afterword by the way

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was released in August of last year

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in addition to st. Martin's Press the

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audiobook rights were purchased by

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audible Italian and Japanese publishers

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purchased the foreign rights and Sony

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Pictures has optioned the film rights to

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the book

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as of this date Larry has done 32 radio

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interviews including coast to coast am

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Fox News radio and fade to black of

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course he has lectured in six states and

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has lectured at the U at the Roswell UFO

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Festival since 2011 his website is Larry

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Holcomb comm and I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black our good friend

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Larry Holcomb Larry good evening good

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evening Jimmy can you hear me all right

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I got you just fine my friend you well

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we had a little problem but I hopefully

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everybody can can hear me okay man you

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sound great you know I can I can I throw

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you under the bus a little bit Larry

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sure okay couple of years ago at the at

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the Roswell UFO festival it was we were

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attending the breakfast I think I had

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just done a radio interview upstairs

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with the local radio station up there

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and I come downstairs and I hear Jimmy

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Church it's Larry Holcomb and I turn

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around and he got the cowboy hat on and

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you're standing there and and it was

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just like seeing an old friend and it

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was it was so great to see you in person

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but you are exactly who you are

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I mean I'm serious man you are one of

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the coolest guys and your feet are on

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the ground and you're down to earth and

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and you you exude this publicly and so

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they're you know I'm just letting you

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know you're not faking it so I'm

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throwing into the bus a little bit Larry

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you're out you're you're one cool guy

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well you are too and as I've told you

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you one of the best interviews that

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around and that I've worked with and

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enjoyed meeting you and Rita

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I think that was 2016 you even had me on

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your your show that you broadcast from

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the library auxilary yeah that's right

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yeah we had a we had a few minutes there

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and so it was a lot of fun I think a lot

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of lot of good folks here Stan Friedman

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was there and Tom and Tom Carrie and Don

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Schmidt and a lot of good glad good folk

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Clyde Lewis was there Linda Moulton Howe

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was there it was I mean the thing is

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that that conference you know that is

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not done at you know some hall it's the

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entire city you know they really roll

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out the red carpet they don't play

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around there and they really appreciate

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supporting that community and it just

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shows and what a great event that they

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do there no doubt yeah it really is and

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it's getting better every year this this

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past year was the 70th anniversary of

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Roswell and they've got a new director

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Jim Hall I think it is yeah and he's

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doing a fantastic job and it's just

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getting better and better every year and

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it's not an easy place to get to Roswell

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isn't but it's more worth it's well

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worth going they they're they're great

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folks they do a good job and they've got

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a wealth of information they're not only

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in the displays but also in the library

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itself with the research documents I

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know that Stan Friedman and Kathy Martin

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just donated a lot of their work to the

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library a lot of their research work to

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the library so it's it's a it's it's a

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it's a great place

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so I heard I need you to confirm this

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they had the Larry Holcomb float right

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and he so you had your own float and you

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were throwing candy out in the parade I

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don't remember I don't remember that

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maybe it must have been after five

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o'clock okay I get it

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well what I would like to do and this is

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for our audience Larry we have the

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we have all age groups here you know

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represented and but for the youngsters

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and we have a large you know young you

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know the Millennials you know the that

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00:39:16,089 --> 00:39:12,829
they hang out here because it is a cool

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00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:16,099
place to just get your knowledge on and

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00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:17,930
we talk about music we talk about rock

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and roll and heavy metal and in movies

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and food and and all of that stuff so

775
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but I think that everybody needs to go

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back and visit guys like Kehoe and I

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talk about this all the time that I I

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got my toes

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00:39:41,319 --> 00:39:38,960
you know I dipped my toes with the

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uninterrupted or the interrupted journey

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or Betty and Teresa and and and Kehoe

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and and all of that stuff that came from

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all of those James McDonald right that

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whole thing that was going on in the 50s

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and 60s by some personal hero alone by

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the way Jill I go oh man I gotta tell

787
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you well okay let's move on we could

788
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:06,440
talk about McDonald all night long yeah

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no doubt

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but you need to go back and and visit

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those books and try to find some of the

792
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:15,920
interviews there's some stuff on TV too

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as well Kehoe was central you know the

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I'm a big big big big fan of Long John

795
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Neville and his original radio shows and

796
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it would have Kehoe on all the time and

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00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:36,260
when Kehoe got cut off at that during

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that television special they faded him

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out right I'm strong circle theater

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Armstrong Circle theatre the week the

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days after that happened Long John

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Neville had Kehoe on his show live very

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controversial at the time today you know

804
00:40:57,730 --> 00:40:54,740
to to talk about that event and these

805
00:41:00,339 --> 00:40:57,740
are seminal events in UFO history and

806
00:41:03,069 --> 00:41:00,349
you have to go back and and and visit

807
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,079
those for your foundation in ufology

808
00:41:07,539 --> 00:41:06,319
because then you know what people are

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00:41:10,809 --> 00:41:07,549
talking about when they're talking about

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00:41:12,049 --> 00:41:10,819
Kehoe or James McDonald or or you know

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Long John Neville for an

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and for you you started right there

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00:41:18,709 --> 00:41:16,709
didn't you you started with the flying

814
00:41:21,859 --> 00:41:18,719
saucers are real and flying saucers from

815
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:21,869
outer space I did that time and and and

816
00:41:35,779 --> 00:41:33,119
and saw the follow-up of ki ho on oh man

817
00:41:37,459 --> 00:41:35,789
Armstrong fear of this show that he'd to

818
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,469
Mike Wallace right he did with Mike

819
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,900
Wallace follow-up show after he was on

820
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:42,660
the Armstrong Circle theatres and the

821
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:46,170
air force came in and gave Wallace some

822
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:49,410
loaded questions to ask Kehoe the key Oh

823
00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:52,680
wasn't prepared for that that turned out

824
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,439
to be totally bogus but this was this

825
00:41:59,529 --> 00:41:57,359
was the way the Air Force was operating

826
00:42:02,809 --> 00:41:59,539
in those days and they still are really

827
00:42:04,959 --> 00:42:02,819
right and when it what does that when

828
00:42:07,549 --> 00:42:04,969
you when he read flying saucers are real

829
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:07,559
which is a great book and they think

830
00:42:12,769 --> 00:42:09,089
about when that was written to and

831
00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:12,779
flying saucers from outer space when you

832
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:15,779
read those at that time because it was a

833
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:17,609
different world you know the Cold War

834
00:42:23,989 --> 00:42:20,910
and the space race and satellites and

835
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,999
moon bases and flying cars and the

836
00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:25,920
kitchen of the future remember those

837
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,439
commercials right so that was that was

838
00:42:33,999 --> 00:42:30,420
that was the world back then what did

839
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,009
those books how did they impact you well

840
00:42:41,209 --> 00:42:37,079
greatly because Keo was very believable

841
00:42:45,769 --> 00:42:41,219
and and you you knew or you felt certain

842
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:45,779
that Keo had the the input the

843
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:51,599
connections in the Pentagon that you

844
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:55,170
know true magazine hired him to do to

845
00:43:00,979 --> 00:42:57,420
investigate UFOs and Keough didn't want

846
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:00,989
to do it he didn't believe him but Ken

847
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:06,359
w-30 who was the editor of a true

848
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:10,140
magazine convinced him to do it and when

849
00:43:14,689 --> 00:43:12,390
he got into it and got into it with his

850
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:14,699
contacts in the Pentagon he found out

851
00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:16,529
that there was something to it

852
00:43:23,209 --> 00:43:19,519
and the more he got into it the more

853
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:23,219
convinced he became that he thought for

854
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:26,070
a long time that these were Soviet

855
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:30,180
fools or something man-made until the

856
00:43:35,810 --> 00:43:33,660
idea scientists brought an idea to him

857
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:35,820
that maybe he was looking in the wrong

858
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:38,090
direction maybe he needed to look up

859
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:42,210
that these were not from this this

860
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:46,140
planet and that Jacques Kehoe and he

861
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:50,700
realized that yes that was conceivably

862
00:43:56,060 --> 00:43:53,940
an answer an answer to the to the

863
00:44:02,270 --> 00:43:56,070
question of what Flying Saucer says that

864
00:44:05,540 --> 00:44:02,280
we call in wars and so it was it was an

865
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:05,550
eye-opener to Kehoe he wrote the article

866
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:08,870
in true magazine which came out in

867
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:12,750
December of 1949 if I remember correctly

868
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:18,870
and it was the it was the January 1950

869
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:21,240
issue that came out in December of 1949

870
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:26,520
and as if I if memory serves me correct

871
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:30,990
that is still the largest selling

872
00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:34,440
magazine in magazine publishing history

873
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:37,230
while the article that he wrote in true

874
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:40,410
magazine and in 1950 and then went on to

875
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:43,320
write the the book flying saucers from

876
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:45,750
outer space and in flying saucers are

877
00:44:54,860 --> 00:44:49,850
real and because it because Kehoe had

878
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:54,870
such good contacts in in Washington in

879
00:45:01,700 --> 00:44:59,280
the Pentagon and there was a fight going

880
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:01,710
on within the Air Force those that

881
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:05,220
believed that they were probably dealing

882
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,190
with extraterrestrial vehicles and those

883
00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:10,380
that didn't those who didn't hadn't do

884
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,100
had had not done any research and those

885
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:16,380
that had done the research came to the

886
00:45:19,310 --> 00:45:18,630
conclusion that that's the only thing it

887
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,320
can be

888
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:22,560
so anyway Kehoe was very believable the

889
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:26,280
books were very very believable opposed

890
00:45:35,330 --> 00:45:32,550
to books that I read by George Adamski

891
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:35,340
right which I just wrote off at the time

892
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:38,740
now in rate later years the damn skis

893
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:44,380
in some popularity or some believability

894
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:48,160
but I still I still question question

895
00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:51,460
him but no Kehoe's books were were very

896
00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:54,100
believable and and he did some solid

897
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:56,740
hard research what was the atmosphere

898
00:46:03,060 --> 00:45:58,930
help me understand this because I wasn't

899
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:03,070
born until 1963 okay I'm 53 years old

900
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:07,570
today my was aborted yeah it's coming up

901
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:10,090
my birthday is next week this week next

902
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:13,300
week yeah that's no no no no it's in

903
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:17,050
seven days don't remind me I'll be 54 so

904
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:21,640
but I was aboard until 63 what the the

905
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:24,700
way that I read the research and and

906
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:27,160
look at the documentaries and and and so

907
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:31,810
forth the the discussion itself was real

908
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,430
this was something that the White House

909
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:35,680
was discussing wasn't the the Air Force

910
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:37,660
was discussing us they were doing press

911
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:39,850
conferences about this there were

912
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:42,730
writing reports they they were concerned

913
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:45,070
it's the opposite of the way it's dealt

914
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:47,770
with today in the public media right we

915
00:46:52,859 --> 00:46:50,470
we don't see these but these arguments

916
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,869
in these discussions in this debate this

917
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:55,140
was this was a public matter wasn't it

918
00:46:58,830 --> 00:46:57,369
well it certainly was because he was

919
00:47:01,560 --> 00:46:58,840
written up all the newspapers it was

920
00:47:10,109 --> 00:47:01,570
making headlines running from from the

921
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:10,119
late 1940s on into the into the 50s that

922
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:12,310
was making headlines all across the

923
00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:16,480
world the world and and people were

924
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:19,060
starting to build up into a frenzy and

925
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:21,990
this this sort of was capped by the

926
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:25,510
great Washington merry-go-round of 1952

927
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,090
mm-hmm well you know when Washington was

928
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:32,160
overflowing on two weekend nights by

929
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:35,650
unidentified flying objects they were

930
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:37,810
tracked on radar at Washington National

931
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:41,380
they were tracked on radar at Andrews

932
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:45,250
Air Force Base both towers were back and

933
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:47,530
forth and in contact with each other

934
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:50,260
discussing well but we see them here

935
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:52,510
they're heading your way now then that

936
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:54,490
then washington national would pick them

937
00:48:00,089 --> 00:47:57,190
up on the radar after Andrews told them

938
00:48:02,490 --> 00:48:00,099
they were heading their way they they

939
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,500
would send up jets and the things would

940
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:04,960
disappear would take off the Jets would

941
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,619
leave and they'd come back this was

942
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:10,720
primarily on the second night the second

943
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:14,560
weekend night and people people saw them

944
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:16,900
from the ground people saw them outside

945
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:20,260
from the control towers our pilots and

946
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:25,810
airliners saw them so you had you had

947
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:28,420
visual contact from the ground you had

948
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,089
visual contact from aircraft you had

949
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:33,520
radar contact and it couldn't be

950
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:38,980
disputed and then Sanford general

951
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:42,359
Sanford held his press conference and

952
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:44,680
which he ended up saying that we think

953
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:48,790
they are temperature inversions which

954
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:52,270
infuriated a lot of people such as Jim

955
00:49:00,270 --> 00:48:57,720
McDonald Fame atmospheric scientists

956
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:00,280
from the University of Arizona and

957
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:03,160
others the radar operators were

958
00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:06,010
infuriated because to think that they

959
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,020
had you know hundreds of thousands of

960
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:10,720
people's lives in their hands and and

961
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,880
they couldn't tell a solid painting a

962
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:18,760
solid object from a temperature

963
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:21,609
inversion was was ridiculous made them

964
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:28,210
look bad so that's when excuse me all

965
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:31,750
hell broke loose and and I think Truman

966
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:33,430
got involved and and said he wanted

967
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:36,910
answers and told his airforce

968
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:42,040
aide Landry that he wanted he wanted

969
00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:48,940
answers to this and the net result of

970
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:50,920
the end result was a said he's setting

971
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:53,470
up with the Robertson panel in night in

972
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:57,880
January of 1953 and which was a secret

973
00:50:04,300 --> 00:49:59,810
panel and

974
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:04,310
then from that panel came the Durant

975
00:50:07,930 --> 00:50:07,340
report which was Durant was a member of

976
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:07,940
the panel

977
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:13,040
he wrote the report that said that the

978
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:17,950
public psyche should be taken away from

979
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:22,190
the Flying Saucer issue by whatever

980
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:28,190
means disinformation so this is really

981
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:31,640
when the cover-up really began and also

982
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:35,960
said that that civilian groups flying

983
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:38,630
saucer groups investigative groups

984
00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:41,750
should be watched so it really was a

985
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:44,420
case of Big Brother taking over and and

986
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:46,310
and I think this is when the the

987
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:50,380
cover-up really really took took whole

988
00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:53,330
well then yeah let me jump in right

989
00:50:56,860 --> 00:50:55,220
there Larry we're gonna hit a break here

990
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,870
so I'm gonna get a thought out and set

991
00:51:03,400 --> 00:50:58,400
up for where we're going after the break

992
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:03,410
but it's this the before the Robertson

993
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:07,610
panel it appeared that the press the air

994
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:13,100
force the public was okay talking about

995
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:15,410
this and debating about this in public

996
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:18,320
they were okay with dealing with it you

997
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:22,730
know in in an open forum and after that

998
00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:26,270
point things radically changed and the

999
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:29,000
clamp down happens the reporting was

1000
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:30,530
different there was no more public

1001
00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:32,390
debate there what the air force started

1002
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:34,100
to say that you know what we're not

1003
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:36,050
interested in this but Bluebook and

1004
00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:37,730
grudge and all of that happened behind

1005
00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:40,700
the scenes and later on but at this

1006
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:42,680
point that's exactly what happened right

1007
00:51:47,470 --> 00:51:45,590
from 1947 with Kenneth Arnold and

1008
00:51:50,170 --> 00:51:47,480
Roswell we're gonna get to that in a

1009
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:50,180
second but it was all out in the open

1010
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:53,090
wasn't it and then everything changed

1011
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:56,810
sure you had a lot of sightings that

1012
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:00,980
made headlines around the world did the

1013
00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:05,570
Farmington Amato was in 1949 1950 were

1014
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:12,020
fare of hundreds maybe of saucer type

1015
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:13,310
craft of

1016
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:16,180
the small town of Farmington New Mexico

1017
00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:19,010
was seen by half of the population which

1018
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:20,780
wasn't much I don't think the population

1019
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,790
was about three thousand but half of the

1020
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:25,280
people saw the things right that made

1021
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:28,400
handle so you you had these these

1022
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:31,160
sightings everywhere it was driving the

1023
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:34,670
airforce crazy you had Donald Kehoe

1024
00:52:43,690 --> 00:52:40,570
beating on them the and and the news

1025
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:43,700
people the the press printing these

1026
00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:45,890
these saucer stories and making

1027
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:50,020
headlines and the Air Force was just

1028
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:52,850
continually under pressure to come up

1029
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:55,610
with with answers and then when when the

1030
00:53:02,410 --> 00:52:59,210
Washington merry-go-round came by that

1031
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:02,420
was that was the straw that broke the

1032
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:04,430
camel's back the analyst knew they had

1033
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:07,750
to do something they had to quell this

1034
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,550
public hysteria that was slowly building

1035
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:14,240
right and to a crescendo at this at the

1036
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:20,060
Washington miracle relevant so yeah and

1037
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:24,800
I think that the one of my pet peeves

1038
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:28,010
and it is another book that I've been

1039
00:53:34,510 --> 00:53:31,160
working on is is the media's handling

1040
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:34,520
and how the government has handled the

1041
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,960
reasonably reporting UFO events and

1042
00:53:48,310 --> 00:53:46,400
making it a yuck yuck factor as far as

1043
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:48,320
the media is concerned which irritates

1044
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,990
me no end and we'll see what happens

1045
00:53:57,010 --> 00:53:55,460
with that but yeah that's a that's

1046
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:57,020
something that's a very sore subject

1047
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:00,800
with me the way the media has I think

1048
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:03,770
been brainwashed well and then now this

1049
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:05,150
is what we're gonna talk about after the

1050
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:08,030
break because out of everything that

1051
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:10,820
Kehoe was talking about and in the press

1052
00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:12,740
and the clippings and the headlines

1053
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:16,220
including the air force and all of the

1054
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,310
ufologists and contactees and trips to

1055
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:21,440
Venus right all of this stuff was being

1056
00:54:26,299 --> 00:54:24,710
talked about but one thing wasn't and

1057
00:54:29,449 --> 00:54:26,309
that was Roz

1058
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:29,459
while Kehoe never do you ever remember

1059
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:32,249
and I know your answer but I just want

1060
00:54:37,579 --> 00:54:34,410
you to say it out loud you ever remember

1061
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,589
Donald Kehoe saying Roswell New Mexico

1062
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:40,559
ever no and I went back and reread his

1063
00:54:48,799 --> 00:54:45,839
books to find out if he did and he

1064
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:48,809
didn't know Kenneth Arnold not an issue

1065
00:54:56,589 --> 00:54:51,660
right Road in Phoenix not an issue any

1066
00:54:59,179 --> 00:54:56,599
other Tennessee the P 58 Mustang or I

1067
00:55:02,539 --> 00:54:59,189
forget his name the pilot that went up

1068
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:02,549
in Van Til yeah man tell captain man

1069
00:55:05,509 --> 00:55:04,049
tell crashed his plane that you know

1070
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:05,519
that all of these things were talked

1071
00:55:11,299 --> 00:55:08,609
about well the White House 1952 all of

1072
00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:11,309
these these big events were talked about

1073
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:14,849
except Roswell Robertson report any

1074
00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:18,119
Roswell in that no no no nothing that's

1075
00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:20,849
right it wasn't in time to the the Tommy

1076
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:23,789
Mantell issue was a big deal it was a he

1077
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:28,380
was highly thought of yep and and so

1078
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:30,329
that was a very big deal that was ooh

1079
00:55:34,459 --> 00:55:32,579
yeah of course there was a lot of

1080
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fictitious stuff reported about that

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that he was shot down by lasers lasers

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and all this sort of stuff but you know

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I have some feelings of its mental case

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but that's we've we don't need to get

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into that here no but but the point in

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bringing it up is is a simple one if you

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00:55:57,140 --> 00:55:55,109
go back and listen to Long John Neville

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or read any of the books or any of the

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00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,400
researchers everybody that ever came out

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00:56:05,509 --> 00:56:02,099
Otis T car you know all those cats right

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00:56:07,699 --> 00:56:05,519
all right them they all referenced you

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00:56:09,799 --> 00:56:07,709
know they would talk about Nazi UFO

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00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:09,809
technology that was out in the open they

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00:56:17,539 --> 00:56:12,380
talked about this but nobody ever

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00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:17,549
mentioned Roswell nobody to do yeah they

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00:56:26,479 --> 00:56:24,209
talked about the Nazis they talked about

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everything under the Sun right it was

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all on the table all the time and they

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had their evidence they never talked

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about Roswell and why we're gonna talk

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about that I'm with Larry welcome when

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we come back after this short break

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it's a fascinating part of

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of UFO history right there and our guest

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tonight is Larry Hulk I mean he is the

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guy Larry we're gonna do it all over

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again you ready I'm ready

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that's what I'm talking about our guest

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tonight Larry Holcomb his book the

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presidents and UFOs

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FDR through Obama I'm your host Jimmy

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Church follow me on Twitter H a church

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radio more with Larry right after this

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short break stay with us

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booked is the president's and UFOs a

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secret history from FDR to Obama and

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Larry right before the break I'm going

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01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:42,400
to do a little reset here one of the we

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01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:43,360
were talking about one of the most

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01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:46,710
interesting parts of ufology which is

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:50,620
between 1947 July after the crackdown

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01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:54,010
and the retraction which only took a day

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:56,680
from the Air Force on the Roswell

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incident from that point forward and

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that was after a radio and and all the

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the headlines and newspapers and all of

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01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:09,760
the craziness of Roswell it was clapped

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:14,020
out from July around July 10th July 9

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01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,610
1947 all the way through 1980 Roswell

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01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:21,280
dropped out it was not mentioned

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01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:24,820
anywhere in any circle at any time by

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01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:26,830
anybody this is part of your research

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01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:31,150
and why why do you think that was was it

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01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:33,400
because the crackdown was so effective

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or that people were scared I mean it

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01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:40,300
wasn't but nobody mentioned the word

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01:02:48,930 --> 01:02:44,170
Roswell anywhere well it obviously was

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01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:48,940
very effective the Air Force came in

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01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:55,500
very quickly they when Colonel Blanchard

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01:03:02,550 --> 01:02:59,920
authorized Walter Hart to release the

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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:02,560
story that they had captured a flying

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01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:04,970
disc or parts of a flying disc

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and that story hit the hit the news

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primarily on the west coast before it

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hit the news on the East Coast general

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Clement snowballing contacted eight Air

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01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:25,490
Force Headquarters and General Roger

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01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:29,180
Ramey's office and didn't get Ramey got

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01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,510
general then Colonel Thomas Jefferson

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01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:34,400
DuBose and told him to kill that story

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01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:38,200
they were getting I mean they were being

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inundated by calls from all over the

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world and he said kill that story anyway

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you can I don't care how you do it but

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kill it and get that debris to me and

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01:03:58,210 --> 01:03:56,329
I'm gonna get it to right field which of

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01:04:01,780 --> 01:03:58,220
course was right field at the time there

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01:04:03,490 --> 01:04:01,790
wright-patterson Air Force Base exactly

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:03,500
how that all came down whether he got

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all of it whether some of them sent to

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him whether some of them sent directly

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to right field I don't know but that was

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that was long and short of it that that

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01:04:26,890 --> 01:04:19,520
colonel later General Thomas Jefferson

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DuBose Ramey chief of staff said in you

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know I mean what went public with and

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01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:31,310
said that he was told to kill the story

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01:04:35,470 --> 01:04:33,260
that Raymond was told to kill the story

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and how they killed the story was to say

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that it was a it was a weather balloon

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now and and made Jesse Marcel who would

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01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:46,369
open first saw the debris and brought

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01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:48,560
some of it back made him look like a

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fool

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and and and and Marcel had to live with

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this for 30 years it ate at him and tell

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01:05:02,770 --> 01:04:59,329
a lie yeah and this is the thing and we

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01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:02,780
all know you know the the story now

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:06,530
today but back then it died on the vine

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every reporter in the country that had a

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car was driving to Roswell New Mexico

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for this story and they all turned

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around right that

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right you killed us they kill kill the

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story just nipped it in the bud and it

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worked and it worked now this is and now

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this is what I have a hard time wrapping

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my head around that okay we have guys

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like Kehoe and I and I get that at James

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McDonald and and all of the other

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researchers and the magazines and things

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that were going on at that time

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I get that but the what about the crazy

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fringe guys right that should have gone

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back and picked up on Roswell and and

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continued the the story in in public but

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it didn't that you know and when I bring

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up everybody needs to understand exactly

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what I'm saying here one of the most

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fantastic radio programs ever in the

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history of radio which was the party

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line you know long John Neville he was

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live every night for five years in in

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Manhattan on the biggest radio station

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in the world and all he had on were

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guests

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one after another discussing the

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supernatural and UFOs every single night

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01:06:32,049 --> 01:06:28,910
of the week that's all he did right

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01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:32,059
forty hours of programming and it was

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never mentioned by anybody but nobody

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01:06:41,769 --> 01:06:38,839
remembered nobody was concerned about it

1288
01:06:45,099 --> 01:06:41,779
and that is the most fantastic part of

1289
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:45,109
love when you look at ufology and I need

1290
01:06:51,249 --> 01:06:47,930
to drive this home it was not mentioned

1291
01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:51,259
once and I would do nothing but listen

1292
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:53,390
you know I'm trying I want somebody to

1293
01:06:59,019 --> 01:06:56,630
mention Roswell so I can go aha we have

1294
01:07:02,589 --> 01:06:59,029
something here but it's it's clearly not

1295
01:07:05,890 --> 01:07:02,599
there and but you had an interesting

1296
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:05,900
experience didn't you yeah I did and

1297
01:07:13,150 --> 01:07:08,809
this was refreshed my memory I'm gonna

1298
01:07:15,579 --> 01:07:13,160
say 1960 1960 the Doug large story the

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01:07:18,670 --> 01:07:15,589
Doug lock story who was done let me let

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01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:18,680
me slip back a little bit and say that I

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01:07:24,489 --> 01:07:20,839
think that the reason that the story

1302
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:24,499
died so easily was the press was not as

1303
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:28,640
sophisticated then about flying saucers

1304
01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:30,529
they knew they existed they didn't know

1305
01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:32,600
what they were I don't think they're for

1306
01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:35,020
at the time knew what they were right

1307
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:38,630
and they they just weren't that

1308
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:40,910
sophisticated so the Air Force came out

1309
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:44,180
and keep in mind this was 1947 we just

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01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:48,890
won a terrible war where 1600 cities had

1311
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:51,230
been destroyed in 50 to 60 million

1312
01:07:59,770 --> 01:07:55,700
people had been killed the public was

1313
01:08:02,590 --> 01:07:59,780
ready to hear well it's nothing to it

1314
01:08:05,590 --> 01:08:02,600
they don't really didn't want to know

1315
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,600
that we that the sovereign airspace of

1316
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:07,760
the United States and a space around the

1317
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:10,310
world had been invaded by objects that

1318
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:12,950
we had no control over so it was I think

1319
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:16,130
it was fairly easy for the Air Force to

1320
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:17,810
come out with this story

1321
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:21,170
the press was not sophisticated in the

1322
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:24,170
industry in the story and in the issue

1323
01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:29,330
and the people said okay that's glad to

1324
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:33,680
hear that's all it was and so that's my

1325
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:36,740
take on Herod have a story died and how

1326
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,890
the hide was so easy for the Air Force

1327
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:42,560
to come up with this cock-and-bull story

1328
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:44,210
about a weather balloon and radar

1329
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:47,750
reflectors now you want to move ahead to

1330
01:08:53,610 --> 01:08:51,410
the dark lock story yeah let's go all

1331
01:08:56,530 --> 01:08:53,620
right

1332
01:09:01,180 --> 01:08:56,540
yeah you know see this is the thing the

1333
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,190
story is so important and and your

1334
01:09:06,730 --> 01:09:04,400
direct connection to all of it is is

1335
01:09:11,410 --> 01:09:06,740
equally as important this is not third

1336
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:11,420
hand fourth hand stuff here it is it I

1337
01:09:19,210 --> 01:09:15,230
think it is a very very important story

1338
01:09:23,130 --> 01:09:19,220
in Roswell issue the Roswell story I

1339
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:23,140
think it's a very important card in the

1340
01:09:32,770 --> 01:09:29,810
piece of the Roswell puzzle in in 1960

1341
01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:32,780
well who was actually let's start here

1342
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:35,950
before the story goes who was douglock

1343
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:39,880
douglas was doing tell you Doug Clark I

1344
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:43,040
when I was 17 years old and living in

1345
01:09:48,220 --> 01:09:45,170
Sampson Virginia which is a summer

1346
01:09:49,930 --> 01:09:48,230
Richmond Virginia right at Richmond

1347
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:49,940
International Airport which at the time

1348
01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:55,850
was bird International Airport the

1349
01:10:02,410 --> 01:10:00,710
little village nice little village son

1350
01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:02,420
all company and built a new Sunoco

1351
01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:05,000
service station and douglock that I

1352
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:09,560
didn't know came to town and took over

1353
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,760
leased this new service nation and I was

1354
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:16,400
17 years old at the time

1355
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:20,810
junior in high school and I made friends

1356
01:10:27,129 --> 01:10:24,650
with dog now dog was born and raised on

1357
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:27,139
a tobacco farm in South Side Virginia

1358
01:10:34,899 --> 01:10:31,060
near small town south Boston Virginia

1359
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:34,909
and back up in the woods way back up in

1360
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:37,369
the woods I went up and spent a weekend

1361
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,850
at his at his family home which looked

1362
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:42,560
like something writer to the Waltons

1363
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:45,170
have two or three families all related

1364
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:47,770
live there and work this tobacco farm

1365
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:51,170
raised their own food kill their own

1366
01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:53,420
animals everything and I mean this was

1367
01:10:58,620 --> 01:10:56,300
really back up in the woods and and Doug

1368
01:11:01,689 --> 01:10:58,630
worked there as a as a youngster and

1369
01:11:05,459 --> 01:11:01,699
Doug was a big guy not fat but he was

1370
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:05,469
about six four six four and a half and

1371
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:09,530
muscular as I've said Doug could

1372
01:11:15,550 --> 01:11:11,690
probably not get a charging bull with

1373
01:11:17,979 --> 01:11:15,560
with one blow but a nice guy

1374
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:17,989
funny guy loved to tell stories and and

1375
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,690
I became good friends with him although

1376
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:23,090
I was only 17 years old and he was like

1377
01:11:33,970 --> 01:11:30,590
32 33 at the time and he liked he liked

1378
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:33,980
race cars and fast cars always had a new

1379
01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:36,830
car that was the latest and the fastest

1380
01:11:40,209 --> 01:11:38,030
as wouldn't he

1381
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:40,219
muscle cars were just coming around and

1382
01:11:46,209 --> 01:11:43,070
have that enamored me and I was really

1383
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:46,219
enamored with with fast cars and and

1384
01:11:56,589 --> 01:11:52,030
girls not necessarily in that order and

1385
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:56,599
so we became good friends but I also had

1386
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:58,730
developed this interest in

1387
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:01,580
only sauces lead after reading Donald

1388
01:12:10,810 --> 01:12:08,000
kilos books and I was reluctant to bring

1389
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,820
it up to Doug because you know coming

1390
01:12:14,530 --> 01:12:12,800
from the background he came from they

1391
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:14,540
hate it told me and I'll back up and say

1392
01:12:21,010 --> 01:12:16,460
this he told me that he had been in the

1393
01:12:24,010 --> 01:12:21,020
Air Force and that he was in the Air

1394
01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:24,020
Force he was a judo instructor and he

1395
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:29,960
said he got the job because well he got

1396
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:32,390
into trouble a few times because he had

1397
01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:36,410
a middle of a backwards accent and some

1398
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:38,900
of the recruits that he was with when he

1399
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,520
joined the Air Force made fun of his

1400
01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:42,080
accident and they ended up with a broken

1401
01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:44,540
jaw and he ended up in front of his

1402
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:47,380
commanding officer on several occasions

1403
01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:53,210
so as he told me the he was brought

1404
01:12:58,510 --> 01:12:55,160
before his commanding officer and and

1405
01:13:02,020 --> 01:12:58,520
said I've got a letter here from

1406
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:02,030
headquarters that is asking for recruits

1407
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:04,910
to be trained as judo instructors and

1408
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:07,910
with your background I think you would

1409
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:11,480
be a perfect candidate to be a judo

1410
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:15,620
instructor and he agreed with that and

1411
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,770
was sent to Japan to the Kotian

1412
01:13:23,980 --> 01:13:21,440
Institute and in Japan with 24 others of

1413
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:23,990
23 others and trained as a judo

1414
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:27,920
instructor and he was his base that he

1415
01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:34,990
was assigned to was Fort Bliss Texas so

1416
01:13:43,690 --> 01:13:37,550
so I knew that I knew that background

1417
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:43,700
and knowing that I my my interest in

1418
01:13:47,470 --> 01:13:46,070
UFOs I was reluctant to bring it up to

1419
01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:47,480
him because I thought he was going to

1420
01:13:51,130 --> 01:13:50,060
say you crazy kid you don't believe in

1421
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:51,140
that kind of stuff do you

1422
01:14:00,850 --> 01:13:55,610
right but I did I finally steel myself

1423
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:00,860
to being rebuked right and and I brought

1424
01:14:05,620 --> 01:14:02,870
it up and I said you know I've read a

1425
01:14:08,910 --> 01:14:05,630
couple of books by a fella named Donald

1426
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:08,920
keel retired Marine Corps aviator and

1427
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:12,280
and he makes them

1428
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,100
some really good points about these

1429
01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:18,400
things on flying saucers and I just

1430
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:20,470
steal myself that he was going to

1431
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:23,050
lambast me and he just looked at me and

1432
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:28,780
he said Larry it's all real and I was

1433
01:14:35,550 --> 01:14:31,570
stunned I mean wow I think I was

1434
01:14:38,130 --> 01:14:35,560
probably speechless and I said doc why

1435
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:38,140
do you say that he said when I was a

1436
01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:40,510
judo instructor at Biggs Air Force Base

1437
01:14:45,660 --> 01:14:42,940
we had instructed pilots from

1438
01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:45,670
surrounding bases as well as from Fort

1439
01:14:55,170 --> 01:14:52,240
Bliss in judo and they told me stories

1440
01:14:59,040 --> 01:14:55,180
the pilots and and you can imagine that

1441
01:15:02,360 --> 01:14:59,050
if pilots had had experiences with

1442
01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:02,370
flying saucers as they were called in

1443
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:04,420
they were told to keep their mouths shut

1444
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:10,890
they'd would have been a little bit and

1445
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:12,850
this would be a perfect person to vent

1446
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:16,840
to sure and he said they told me stories

1447
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:19,990
that just literally scared the hell out

1448
01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:21,730
of them and he said Larry these were

1449
01:15:28,530 --> 01:15:24,580
pilots these were brave pilots that flew

1450
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:28,540
in the Second World War in Korea and and

1451
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:32,320
he said what they saw frightened them

1452
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:34,570
greatly and they were told to shoot to

1453
01:15:42,660 --> 01:15:36,310
trying to shoot the things down if they

1454
01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:42,670
could he went on to tell me about a

1455
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:49,540
bomber pilot from Roswell that told him

1456
01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:53,730
that a saucer had crashed at Roswell and

1457
01:16:01,800 --> 01:15:57,430
that he had actually flows the debrief

1458
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:01,810
from the saucer and alien bodies that

1459
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:04,870
they found to write pass him a right

1460
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:07,450
right field or now wright-patterson Air

1461
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:12,010
Force Base and I've often wondered if

1462
01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:16,270
that was Pappy Henderson but anyway I'll

1463
01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:18,580
interject I'll stop the story there and

1464
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,420
interject this I don't know whether I

1465
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:24,880
wasn't ready to accept

1466
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:28,570
stories about alien beings I could

1467
01:16:37,770 --> 01:16:32,260
accept flying saucers but alien beings

1468
01:16:40,890 --> 01:16:37,780
and crash saucers for our anyway we lost

1469
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:40,900
contact with each other the years passed

1470
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:44,170
I got married had children job and all

1471
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:47,170
but I still continued my interest in

1472
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:51,480
study in the Flying Saucer issue and

1473
01:17:01,649 --> 01:16:58,239
when the story broke in 1980 or 81 when

1474
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:01,659
when Roswell became an issue I couldn't

1475
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:05,440
remember why Roswell was so important to

1476
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:08,530
me it was it was a blank that's when I

1477
01:17:13,379 --> 01:17:11,050
went back and read Kehoe's book like

1478
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:13,389
you're talking about I did research to

1479
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:16,000
try to find out why Roswell was so

1480
01:17:19,709 --> 01:17:17,230
important to me I knew while

1481
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:19,719
wright-patterson was so important to me

1482
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:22,090
but I couldn't figure out why Roswell

1483
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:25,900
was so important it if a cloud had

1484
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:28,449
descended and I couldn't remember when I

1485
01:17:36,979 --> 01:17:32,050
started writing the fog started to lift

1486
01:17:43,919 --> 01:17:36,989
and Doug's like story story to me in

1487
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:43,929
1960 about what the pilots told him

1488
01:17:54,629 --> 01:17:48,370
primarily pilots from Roswell what other

1489
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:54,639
bases as well that story that he told me

1490
01:18:03,750 --> 01:17:59,199
was a perfect match to the story that

1491
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:03,760
broke in the early 1980s right and about

1492
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:07,710
Roswell and it was a complete absolute

1493
01:18:13,290 --> 01:18:11,230
overlay and as the fog lifted and I

1494
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:13,300
remembered more and more of his

1495
01:18:21,689 --> 01:18:18,250
conversation to me I said yes I do about

1496
01:18:25,229 --> 01:18:21,699
this in 1960 with nobody else knew about

1497
01:18:29,070 --> 01:18:25,239
it and I don't say that in a pompous way

1498
01:18:32,189 --> 01:18:29,080
I say that I was stunned and take me

1499
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:32,199
take me back you you you shot past this

1500
01:18:35,860 --> 01:18:34,120
let's let's back up the truck just a

1501
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:35,870
little bit here okay

1502
01:18:41,410 --> 01:18:39,710
you had said that he's dropping these

1503
01:18:44,860 --> 01:18:41,420
Roswell bombs on you

1504
01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:44,870
right but you have been reading right

1505
01:18:48,610 --> 01:18:46,430
you've been reading Kehoe you've been

1506
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:48,620
chicken you've been you know into this

1507
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:50,570
subject the whole country was into this

1508
01:18:54,970 --> 01:18:53,750
subject but for you he's talking about

1509
01:18:59,710 --> 01:18:54,980
something that you had never heard of

1510
01:19:04,980 --> 01:18:59,720
right a place that I never write Roswell

1511
01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:04,990
New Mexico but it became and look Jimmy

1512
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:08,420
50 plus years have passed and I can't

1513
01:19:15,340 --> 01:19:12,110
remember exactly what I what he said but

1514
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:15,350
what came out of it was that Roswell was

1515
01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:18,110
the center of activity now I don't even

1516
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:21,350
think the Doug then do that the 500 9th

1517
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:24,560
Bomb Group the only atomic bomb group in

1518
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:25,520
the world

1519
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:27,740
mm-hmm was headquartered at Roswell

1520
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:30,380
which was the natural place to take all

1521
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:33,110
of this stuff mm-hmm because of the

1522
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:36,170
tight security right around this base

1523
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:39,110
that was a the natural place and it was

1524
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:42,020
happening in in New Mexico in the Four

1525
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:45,530
Corners area where UFO sightings were

1526
01:19:51,190 --> 01:19:46,490
prolific

1527
01:19:54,340 --> 01:19:51,200
at that time we know that you know from

1528
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:54,350
stories from I don't know a leaf in La

1529
01:20:01,540 --> 01:19:58,640
Paz and Clyde Tombaugh and the dr.

1530
01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:01,550
Charles Moore of the skyhook balloon the

1531
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,820
dealer of General Mills right yes people

1532
01:20:11,710 --> 01:20:07,760
that had all seen these objects when

1533
01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:11,720
atomic tests were going on when v2

1534
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:15,260
rockets were being fired they one

1535
01:20:21,340 --> 01:20:19,490
scientist said that they were so they

1536
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:21,350
occurred they knew that every time that

1537
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:23,450
there was going to be a test that these

1538
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:29,120
things would appear so this was the the

1539
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:33,370
natural place Roswell was the natural

1540
01:20:40,990 --> 01:20:36,650
gathering point for all this material to

1541
01:20:43,260 --> 01:20:41,000
be distributed wherever make sense now

1542
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,270
yeah and this is the other thing Larry

1543
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:46,400
and the youngsters today listening to

1544
01:20:51,710 --> 01:20:49,590
this show they honestly don't get it

1545
01:20:54,740 --> 01:20:51,720
I'm gonna try to make them understand

1546
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:54,750
once again if you are going to clamp

1547
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,090
down on a story and tell the citizens

1548
01:21:02,120 --> 01:20:59,280
and the military to shut up

1549
01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:02,130
that Roswell is the place to do that New

1550
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:04,590
Mexico was because all of the Atomic

1551
01:21:09,170 --> 01:21:07,320
Research all of the MIT White's all of

1552
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:09,180
the missile technology all of our

1553
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:10,410
top-secret stuff

1554
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:13,260
atomic bomb everything that we need the

1555
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:15,900
scientists the thinking the laboratories

1556
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,920
the technology was all there in Roswell

1557
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:20,960
um

1558
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:23,610
Albuquerque this was no this was a

1559
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:26,850
no-joke area so they were used to

1560
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:28,980
keeping secrets and keeping their mouths

1561
01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:32,490
shut the entire safety of the known

1562
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:36,240
world was on their shoulders so when

1563
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,490
they were told to shut up about this UFO

1564
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:40,320
crash in 1947

1565
01:21:46,190 --> 01:21:43,530
they did exactly that they did their

1566
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:46,200
duty this is what they practiced and

1567
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:49,530
nobody gets that today how do you keep a

1568
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,010
secret

1569
01:21:55,730 --> 01:21:52,080
well that's what they did in New Mexico

1570
01:21:58,820 --> 01:21:55,740
the brainpower Larry in New Mexico was

1571
01:22:01,550 --> 01:21:58,830
insane the scientists the physicists the

1572
01:22:04,340 --> 01:22:01,560
rocketry sir everything was going down

1573
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:04,350
there we don't understand that today but

1574
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:07,620
that was the atmosphere back then right

1575
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,370
Sandia Los Cruces yep you know White

1576
01:22:14,660 --> 01:22:13,860
Sands that's where it all was happening

1577
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:14,670
all of it

1578
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:16,890
and that's what makes sense where these

1579
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:19,980
these things would show up but but

1580
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:23,760
here's a gun and let me cap the douglock

1581
01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:32,820
story either what Doug told me is a fact

1582
01:22:39,230 --> 01:22:35,640
and and and let me go back and say that

1583
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:39,240
I've done research now after this came

1584
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:41,310
back to me and after we talked the last

1585
01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:43,770
time I did a lot of background research

1586
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:51,860
on Doug I found I found an article and

1587
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,480
that says the organized judo program the

1588
01:23:02,989 --> 01:22:59,520
US armed forces began in the Air Force

1589
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:02,999
in 1950 when General Curtis LeMay

1590
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:06,090
directly the setting up of a model model

1591
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:08,610
physical conditioning unit I won't read

1592
01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:13,289
the whole thing he appointed Emilio melt

1593
01:23:21,609 --> 01:23:16,289
brutal former national AAU wrestling

1594
01:23:25,419 --> 01:23:21,619
champion in judo to direct the program

1595
01:23:30,469 --> 01:23:25,429
at this time judo and structure

1596
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:30,479
instructors staffed six sack basis the

1597
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:32,820
rest had vision physical conditioning

1598
01:23:39,739 --> 01:23:36,840
but no judo instructors because of an

1599
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:39,749
obvious deficiency in instructors powers

1600
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:43,320
sent two classes of airman 24 men to the

1601
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:47,760
Kody and Institute in Tokyo in 1952 for

1602
01:23:53,299 --> 01:23:50,369
several weeks training this was the

1603
01:23:58,580 --> 01:23:53,309
first such training of any Armed Forces

1604
01:24:02,509 --> 01:23:58,590
Group so that confirms what Doug was

1605
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:02,519
telling me about being sent to Tokyo to

1606
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:07,860
be trained in judo then I've gotten a

1607
01:24:12,589 --> 01:24:10,590
lot of other documents I've got a with

1608
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:12,599
his hometown team got the marriage

1609
01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:15,420
license of his mother and father and his

1610
01:24:20,109 --> 01:24:17,159
last will and tell us the testament he

1611
01:24:26,589 --> 01:24:20,119
died very young of asbestos poisoning

1612
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:26,599
working in shipyards but I sent a

1613
01:24:33,169 --> 01:24:29,489
Freedom of Information request to the

1614
01:24:37,089 --> 01:24:33,179
National personnel records Sunna and I

1615
01:24:41,029 --> 01:24:37,099
got a letter back from the reference

1616
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,039
Douglas Steel Arts in his serial number

1617
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,800
and what have you and they telling me

1618
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:45,840
dear recipient thank you for contacting

1619
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:48,690
the National personnel records owners

1620
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:50,610
the record needed to answer your in

1621
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:52,440
question is not in their file if the

1622
01:24:59,419 --> 01:24:56,239
records were here in July 12th 1934 on

1623
01:25:02,689 --> 01:24:59,429
1973 it would have been in the area that

1624
01:25:05,660 --> 01:25:02,699
suffered the most damage in the fire on

1625
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:05,670
that date that may have destroyed those

1626
01:25:11,419 --> 01:25:08,880
records the fire destroyed major portion

1627
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:11,429
of records of Army military personnel

1628
01:25:16,419 --> 01:25:15,510
and Air Force personnel with sure names

1629
01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:16,429
Hubbard

1630
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:20,780
rusy for the period 1947 to 1963

1631
01:25:28,180 --> 01:25:23,000
so that would include Doug's records

1632
01:25:32,189 --> 01:25:28,190
anyway then to follow that up the I did

1633
01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:32,199
get they did send me for your release

1634
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:36,830
which gives named Douglas teal are his

1635
01:25:44,740 --> 01:25:40,130
Air Force serial number date of service

1636
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:44,750
December 1st 1951 to April 10th 1954 he

1637
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:48,409
was discharged his assignment in

1638
01:25:54,459 --> 01:25:51,340
geographical location 800 and 10th

1639
01:25:56,770 --> 01:25:54,469
Operations Squadron at Biggs Air Force

1640
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,780
Base Texas and a lot of other

1641
01:26:02,530 --> 01:25:59,360
information but the point is I've got an

1642
01:26:04,090 --> 01:26:02,540
official record that verifies what Doug

1643
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:04,100
was telling me that he was in the Air

1644
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:06,050
Force he was at Biggs Air Force Base it

1645
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:07,730
doesn't tell me that he was a judo

1646
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:08,590
instructor

1647
01:26:14,290 --> 01:26:12,080
however oh I don't know that that's

1648
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:14,300
necessary I think we've got a we've got

1649
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:20,080
enough information there to back up

1650
01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:22,370
Doug's story

1651
01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:29,300
the only thing then is what if what I'm

1652
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:33,350
telling you is what Doug told me the

1653
01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:37,510
only [\h__\h] in the armor of this story

1654
01:26:45,250 --> 01:26:42,860
would be if I'm lying right you see

1655
01:26:48,490 --> 01:26:45,260
that's the only thing I'll get because

1656
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:48,500
he couldn't have told me that story like

1657
01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:53,480
he did if it wasn't true now it's the

1658
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:56,150
only [\h__\h] in the armor is if I've made

1659
01:27:01,209 --> 01:26:58,610
the whole thing up and I'm lying so well

1660
01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:01,219
you were a cowboy hat so there you go

1661
01:27:05,380 --> 01:27:03,380
now let's uh let's take a break right

1662
01:27:06,970 --> 01:27:05,390
here Larry because when we come back the

1663
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:06,980
story actually doesn't end there

1664
01:27:11,860 --> 01:27:09,530
everybody so when we come back there's

1665
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:11,870
more to Doug and there's more with Doug

1666
01:27:16,689 --> 01:27:14,480
and his connection to Larry and we'll do

1667
01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:16,699
that when we come back it's absolutely

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fascinating this is fade to black our

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Larry now what we are talking about here

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01:32:35,540 --> 01:32:33,900
and this is a very important and

1752
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:35,550
fascinating subject all at the same time

1753
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:38,370
well we're dealing with Roswell Roswell

1754
01:32:44,990 --> 01:32:42,480
between 1947 and 1980 was a non subject

1755
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:45,000
in the UFO circles think you know and

1756
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:46,620
you know what's really fascinating Larry

1757
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:49,920
think about all of those UFO conferences

1758
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:53,940
right that the stuff that was of George

1759
01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:57,030
Van Tassel out of the desert and and you

1760
01:33:00,860 --> 01:32:58,980
know all of these conferences a nightcap

1761
01:33:02,690 --> 01:33:00,870
and all of these organizations all

1762
01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:02,700
across the country and presenters and

1763
01:33:09,740 --> 01:33:05,310
books and and and testimony and

1764
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:09,750
eyewitness know Roswell anywhere right I

1765
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:13,380
mean really unbelievable and all we do

1766
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:16,290
today is we have you know great

1767
01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:18,810
researchers out there great researchers

1768
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:20,310
that are out there trying to undercover

1769
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:21,480
things that nobody has heard about

1770
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:22,860
things that have been covered up thing

1771
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:25,050
you know and we're revealing things and

1772
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:28,710
going going deep into subjects and

1773
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:31,080
that's what was going on that was going

1774
01:33:37,460 --> 01:33:34,650
on throughout the 50s and 60s I probably

1775
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:37,470
more so than today if you think about it

1776
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:39,420
yeah but Roswell you're right

1777
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:42,480
yeah because I consider that time period

1778
01:33:51,650 --> 01:33:47,510
the golden years of your follow gee just

1779
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:51,660
just a wealth of information you know

1780
01:33:55,490 --> 01:33:53,490
now everything's electronic and it's

1781
01:34:00,820 --> 01:33:55,500
harder to get but there was there were

1782
01:34:02,430 --> 01:34:00,830
paper trails back then and so yeah III

1783
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:02,440
consider that the

1784
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:12,780
Jim McDonnell came into it in the in the

1785
01:34:22,170 --> 01:34:16,920
middle 60s and and J Allen Hynek was

1786
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:22,180
involved in it and I remember reading of

1787
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:27,760
a shock on the shock delay standing in

1788
01:34:36,210 --> 01:34:31,990
in an office in allen hynek's office and

1789
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:36,220
and the Jim McDonald beating on his desk

1790
01:34:40,830 --> 01:34:39,130
when he found out that Hynek had some

1791
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:40,840
information and he'd never gone public

1792
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:42,690
with and just saying

1793
01:34:50,130 --> 01:34:46,690
Allen why why why didn't you go public

1794
01:34:52,050 --> 01:34:50,140
with this and Fellay said I knew why he

1795
01:34:56,850 --> 01:34:52,060
didn't go public with this because it

1796
01:34:59,310 --> 01:34:56,860
would hurt his academic standing but

1797
01:35:02,790 --> 01:34:59,320
yeah this I think these were the golden

1798
01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:02,800
years and and so enter you know Doug

1799
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:06,670
lock and for him to mention this in 1962

1800
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:09,370
you when you were 17 years old you

1801
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:11,770
hadn't heard of Roswell you went to go

1802
01:35:16,290 --> 01:35:14,080
and look and all of these great

1803
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:16,300
researchers write in these books Roswell

1804
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:19,570
simply was not there were you able to

1805
01:35:24,420 --> 01:35:21,970
find out anything in 1960 I realized

1806
01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:24,430
this 50 plus years ago but were you able

1807
01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:27,460
to find out anything did you

1808
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:30,580
you know besides finding it on the map I

1809
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:33,760
assume yeah I guess I did look for look

1810
01:35:39,570 --> 01:35:36,880
for Roswell I'm sure I did but it's hard

1811
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:39,580
for me to remember but and you know I

1812
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:41,770
wasn't a researcher then I was I was

1813
01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:43,690
reading all the books I was studying it

1814
01:35:49,290 --> 01:35:47,230
but I certainly wasn't a researcher and

1815
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:49,300
I didn't get into doing any solid

1816
01:35:56,910 --> 01:35:53,010
research and so I started writing and

1817
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:56,920
then got into research and going to

1818
01:36:01,410 --> 01:35:59,920
presidential libraries and in what have

1819
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:01,420
you which I love doing but you're not

1820
01:36:04,650 --> 01:36:02,710
gonna find a smoking gun in the

1821
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:04,660
Presidential Library no you're gonna

1822
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:06,970
you're gonna find timelines that's

1823
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:08,530
that's the best thing you can hope for

1824
01:36:16,190 --> 01:36:12,250
is to is to find that time timelines of

1825
01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:16,200
events that'll pull what you believe

1826
01:36:21,260 --> 01:36:18,840
evil events that you believe will pull

1827
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:21,270
them together but a smoking gun you're

1828
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:23,370
not going to find out I filed a number

1829
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:25,980
of Freedom of Information Act requests I

1830
01:36:33,650 --> 01:36:30,210
know in the Linda Johnson library I was

1831
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:33,660
there for a couple of days and I found

1832
01:36:43,730 --> 01:36:37,560
some Freedom of Information requests to

1833
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:43,740
get his daily CIA briefings from the

1834
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:46,290
time from the two-week time period

1835
01:36:54,380 --> 01:36:52,170
during the Kecksburg event and I got the

1836
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:54,390
very nice letter back just in essence

1837
01:36:59,480 --> 01:36:56,130
telling me that they would be

1838
01:37:04,670 --> 01:36:59,490
non-responsive to my request so that

1839
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:04,680
didn't go anywhere now does lock when

1840
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:17,240
yes probably about 1966 and what does it

1841
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:18,690
think and what was that conversation

1842
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:24,000
then oh I don't think we discussed the

1843
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:27,960
the Roswell event I bought a couple of

1844
01:37:42,170 --> 01:37:36,480
cars from him and but he had he divorced

1845
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:42,180
his wife and married a new lady and they

1846
01:37:51,860 --> 01:37:45,570
had sort of moved off and we we lost

1847
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:51,870
contact after that but I would say that

1848
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:54,930
was about the last that I heard of heard

1849
01:38:02,810 --> 01:37:58,050
of him until I heard that he was he was

1850
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:02,820
very ill with lung cancer nervous he'd

1851
01:38:08,780 --> 01:38:06,290
never smoked but he had as I said he

1852
01:38:11,300 --> 01:38:08,790
left the service station business and

1853
01:38:13,820 --> 01:38:11,310
went back to being an electrician and he

1854
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:13,830
worked in the number of naval shipyards

1855
01:38:27,950 --> 01:38:21,450
and got asbestos poisoning mesothelioma

1856
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:27,960
I think it is right and died shortly

1857
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:29,489
thereafter I had

1858
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:32,760
his last will and testament in my file

1859
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:38,340
and I have the his interrogatory that

1860
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:40,350
was filed with his lawyer they filed a

1861
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:42,690
suit against johns manville corporation

1862
01:38:48,890 --> 01:38:46,950
and i think the suit was eventually

1863
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:48,900
thrown over the court because of too

1864
01:38:55,870 --> 01:38:53,820
much time in past but you know i have

1865
01:39:00,260 --> 01:38:55,880
all of the that that document

1866
01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:00,270
documentation in my file so i'm

1867
01:39:07,550 --> 01:39:03,540
convinced that what Doug told me was the

1868
01:39:10,220 --> 01:39:07,560
truth that it was not something that he

1869
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:10,230
was terribly interested in he had other

1870
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:12,690
interests but it was something that he

1871
01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:15,930
obviously was fascinated about he didn't

1872
01:39:21,260 --> 01:39:17,550
go around talking buddy but when I

1873
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:21,270
brought it up to him he relayed this

1874
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:23,910
story to me of what these pilots had

1875
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:26,850
told him and and he believed it to be a

1876
01:39:35,180 --> 01:39:33,090
fact so I think it's I think it's I

1877
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:35,190
think it's an absolute fact I think

1878
01:39:42,050 --> 01:39:39,420
these these pilots were seeing we're

1879
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:42,060
seeing these objects during this time

1880
01:39:49,220 --> 01:39:44,820
period when all of this atomic testing

1881
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:49,230
the rocket testing and not to mention

1882
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:54,090
very high-powered radars that were being

1883
01:40:02,270 --> 01:40:00,239
developed and used in Odin in that area

1884
01:40:04,010 --> 01:40:02,280
because you know at that time they

1885
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:04,020
didn't have the do one that hadn't been

1886
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:07,560
created and they wanted to protect the

1887
01:40:14,750 --> 01:40:11,250
Sandia and Los Alamos labs and the and

1888
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:14,760
in white sands and these theis and I

1889
01:40:22,010 --> 01:40:18,710
cannot remember the the names of these

1890
01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:22,020
radar installations that that escapes me

1891
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:28,500
but they were very very experimental and

1892
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:34,770
very high powered radars that were

1893
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,170
really built around small towns with

1894
01:40:46,620 --> 01:40:42,880
generating power stations to run these

1895
01:40:48,689 --> 01:40:46,630
radars a huge cinder block buildings as

1896
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:48,699
a still that still exists that's right

1897
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:52,690
and they had their own barracks and mess

1898
01:40:58,760 --> 01:40:55,540
halls and and so they were like little

1899
01:41:03,149 --> 01:40:58,770
villages there were three of them and

1900
01:41:05,130 --> 01:41:03,159
again I can't remember the names where

1901
01:41:09,810 --> 01:41:05,140
they were located but they were spaced

1902
01:41:15,090 --> 01:41:09,820
in sort of a triangular area around new

1903
01:41:17,149 --> 01:41:15,100
of New Mexico so this may have had

1904
01:41:20,399 --> 01:41:17,159
something to do with the crash of these

1905
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,409
what I think were probes you know I

1906
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:22,480
don't think these were these were craft

1907
01:41:26,939 --> 01:41:25,360
that flew across the fastest space it

1908
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:26,949
came here and crashed I think they were

1909
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:30,190
probes that will sit down from I don't

1910
01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:31,900
like to term motherships with that's

1911
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:35,020
right right that that's the best I think

1912
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:37,510
that's the best example you can use that

1913
01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:41,560
they were probes sent down to like we

1914
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:43,510
send probes through the moon or the bars

1915
01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:46,210
or what have you and I think that's what

1916
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:48,790
that's crashed here and they're probably

1917
01:41:56,189 --> 01:41:53,340
these radars which they whoever they are

1918
01:42:00,979 --> 01:41:56,199
didn't expect and it felt up their

1919
01:42:04,770 --> 01:42:00,989
guidance system now I have well I have

1920
01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:04,780
nothing but try to catch somebody

1921
01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:07,750
mentioning Roswell and I haven't been

1922
01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:10,870
able to do it how do we go about that at

1923
01:42:15,810 --> 01:42:13,060
this point has everything been research

1924
01:42:18,630 --> 01:42:15,820
has every public statement been made and

1925
01:42:21,169 --> 01:42:18,640
and checked out you know how do we how

1926
01:42:25,220 --> 01:42:21,179
do we find somebody mentioning Roswell

1927
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:25,230
well in that time I'll tell you this I

1928
01:42:35,209 --> 01:42:31,090
have an acquaintance when my when the

1929
01:42:40,620 --> 01:42:35,219
book came out was released in softcover

1930
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:40,630
last year I put an afterword in a full

1931
01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:43,510
chapter afterward to cover some issues

1932
01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:45,670
that I had not covered in the hardcover

1933
01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:47,980
version of the book one of them being

1934
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:50,710
that I had missed was the famous are

1935
01:42:58,720 --> 01:42:52,760
b-47 case

1936
01:43:03,380 --> 01:42:58,730
from the 1950s and and I ended up

1937
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:03,390
telling the story of an acquaintance

1938
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:07,770
that I had made that had read my work

1939
01:43:19,419 --> 01:43:12,360
and read some posts that I'd made and he

1940
01:43:21,919 --> 01:43:19,429
contacted me using a pseudonym and we

1941
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:21,929
chatted back and forth in emails and

1942
01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:24,330
finally I told him I said look if you

1943
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:26,100
don't tell me who you are you know who I

1944
01:43:30,490 --> 01:43:28,440
am if you don't tell me who you are

1945
01:43:34,270 --> 01:43:30,500
we're not gonna correspond anymore

1946
01:43:39,169 --> 01:43:34,280
because I could tell from what he was

1947
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:39,179
writing me writing me that he was he had

1948
01:43:45,229 --> 01:43:41,130
a great deal of knowledge about Roswell

1949
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:45,239
and the major players including Walter

1950
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:50,460
Hart and Glenn Dennis and an especially

1951
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:53,340
Jesse Marcel jr. who he told me that he

1952
01:43:59,649 --> 01:43:58,260
talked to almost weekly with Shakman and

1953
01:44:05,720 --> 01:43:59,659
[Applause]

1954
01:44:07,250 --> 01:44:05,730
so he's in even wrote he's shy he

1955
01:44:12,189 --> 01:44:07,260
doesn't really want to be in the public

1956
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:12,199
spotlight but he's he did write a

1957
01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:15,810
chapter for me in his own words that I

1958
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:18,390
put into my book in the in the afterward

1959
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:21,690
and I'm not gonna mention his name well

1960
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:29,740
but I haven't asked him permission to

1961
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:33,570
discuss his background in any depth on

1962
01:44:40,130 --> 01:44:37,320
this on this show but and anyway Gary

1963
01:44:46,419 --> 01:44:40,140
told me a story that he got interested

1964
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:46,429
in this in the UFO Roswell issue because

1965
01:44:52,130 --> 01:44:50,250
he was attending a birthday he was born

1966
01:44:53,899 --> 01:44:52,140
and raised in Albuquerque he now lives

1967
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,909
in California but he was born and raised

1968
01:44:58,910 --> 01:44:55,440
in Albuquerque

1969
01:45:00,590 --> 01:44:58,920
and he would attended a birthday

1970
01:45:03,310 --> 01:45:00,600
celebration for his mother

1971
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,320
65th I think it was a birthday

1972
01:45:07,580 --> 01:45:05,040
celebration

1973
01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:07,590
and her brother and uncle that he

1974
01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:11,190
thought highly of was there in this

1975
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:15,860
uncle was a longtime employee at

1976
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:20,850
Hannaford Hanford Benford Labs in

1977
01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:27,090
Washington State and he said after

1978
01:45:32,690 --> 01:45:29,820
dinner we wanted my uncle now what in

1979
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:32,700
some of the port's it was rain storm and

1980
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:36,260
we said it on porch and chatted and he

1981
01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:40,320
asked me he said have you ever heard of

1982
01:45:47,810 --> 01:45:43,790
a crash over in his words were a

1983
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:47,820
spaceship at Roswell New Mexico Rossi

1984
01:45:53,570 --> 01:45:51,960
and Roswell New Mexico and Gerson no

1985
01:45:58,850 --> 01:45:53,580
I've never heard of it he said well it

1986
01:46:03,830 --> 01:45:58,860
did happen and we know about it at

1987
01:46:07,820 --> 01:46:03,840
Hanford and I worked for time at Sandia

1988
01:46:11,650 --> 01:46:07,830
and there was talk quiet talk about it

1989
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:11,660
at Sandia also and he said it happened

1990
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,300
so gary told me he said about ten years

1991
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:18,000
past it was fascinating to me but about

1992
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:19,860
ten years past and he's in the

1993
01:46:26,180 --> 01:46:22,610
entertainment field we made he made

1994
01:46:28,610 --> 01:46:26,190
documentaries and he was making a

1995
01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:28,620
documentary on Pearl Harbor and found

1996
01:46:36,860 --> 01:46:34,710
out that Carlock apparently had a great

1997
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:36,870
deal of knowledge and background of

1998
01:46:41,810 --> 01:46:39,360
World War two history and he was put in

1999
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:41,820
touch with Carlock and they ended up

2000
01:46:50,180 --> 01:46:46,130
flying to Hawaii and all the trip over

2001
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:50,190
he mentioned to call what his uncle had

2002
01:47:01,160 --> 01:46:56,250
told him ten years prior to that but a

2003
01:47:03,740 --> 01:47:01,170
crash of a spaceship near Roswell and

2004
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,750
carlock's that I know a lot of bugs that

2005
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:05,520
I'm very interested in it I've done a

2006
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:10,500
lot of research on it and they ended up

2007
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:14,480
becoming pretty close friends and call

2008
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:18,810
introduced him to the major players

2009
01:47:26,780 --> 01:47:21,930
Roswell Walter Hart Glenn Dennis and

2010
01:47:30,440 --> 01:47:26,790
Jesse Marcel and it's a long story

2011
01:47:33,140 --> 01:47:30,450
we I've talked to Gary I used to talk to

2012
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:33,150
Atlanta I talked to yesterday as a

2013
01:47:41,060 --> 01:47:37,920
matter of fact and we talk a lot and you

2014
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:41,070
wouldn't believe the background that

2015
01:47:54,620 --> 01:47:45,440
Gary has he talks about having dinner at

2016
01:47:59,660 --> 01:47:54,630
Walter Hart's house one night and Philip

2017
01:48:03,560 --> 01:47:59,670
class was in town and for some reason

2018
01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:03,570
they invited Philip class okay that that

2019
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:07,320
must have been fun and the long and

2020
01:48:14,570 --> 01:48:09,810
short of it and I can't remember the

2021
01:48:17,860 --> 01:48:14,580
nickname of of Walter's wife but anyway

2022
01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:17,870
that escapes me right now she became so

2023
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:21,540
infuriated with phil class that she

2024
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:23,610
almost literally grabbed him and threw

2025
01:48:31,610 --> 01:48:27,840
him out of the house Mike Leinbach well

2026
01:48:34,610 --> 01:48:31,620
I was gonna crack a joke and say who who

2027
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:34,620
hit who first yeah so I was his wife

2028
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:40,890
good for her so he has introduced me to

2029
01:48:48,230 --> 01:48:45,900
a number of people there are things

2030
01:48:49,940 --> 01:48:48,240
going on in Roswell now that we know

2031
01:48:54,980 --> 01:48:49,950
about that we're looking into that I

2032
01:48:57,650 --> 01:48:54,990
can't go into but yeah there's more to

2033
01:49:00,800 --> 01:48:57,660
the Roswell story there's still a lot

2034
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:00,810
more to the Roswell story then people

2035
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:07,280
have found out and and and giri's

2036
01:49:16,010 --> 01:49:11,790
insight is just extraordinary in in in

2037
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:16,020
talking how close he became with with

2038
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:21,540
Walter and and Glenn and Jess Union and

2039
01:49:26,630 --> 01:49:23,570
[Applause]

2040
01:49:32,930 --> 01:49:26,640
how over the this and this was a 20-year

2041
01:49:36,530 --> 01:49:32,940
friendship that developed he talks about

2042
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:36,540
when both Glenn Dennis and Walter Haught

2043
01:49:47,330 --> 01:49:41,250
in their later years got started into

2044
01:49:51,050 --> 01:49:47,340
dementia Alzheimer's and and and how

2045
01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:51,060
hard that was on him to see them fading

2046
01:50:01,330 --> 01:49:57,420
away and some of the things that I don't

2047
01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:01,340
feel free to go into that he's told me

2048
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:06,270
but he there's no question that he had a

2049
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:09,810
very very close relationship with these

2050
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:13,650
men as well as some other people there

2051
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:17,610
and was and was there when the museum

2052
01:50:23,620 --> 01:50:21,330
was started well let me let me ask you

2053
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:23,630
about Carl flock really quick did you

2054
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,370
you mentioned him really quickly did you

2055
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:28,560
he sat down with Carl you had

2056
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:29,940
conversations with him

2057
01:50:37,220 --> 01:50:34,020
no no I'll tell you what Gary told me he

2058
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:37,230
said we went to dinner and I think it

2059
01:50:43,670 --> 01:50:41,610
was with Glenn Dennis he was with I

2060
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:43,680
think it was Ben Dennis and now I may

2061
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:47,130
have this wrong I'm because Gary and

2062
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:48,630
I've talked about so many things and

2063
01:50:52,670 --> 01:50:50,970
they cover I told him I said the

2064
01:50:55,310 --> 01:50:52,680
timelines the way we talked the

2065
01:50:59,420 --> 01:50:55,320
timelines get all fouled up but they

2066
01:51:03,940 --> 01:50:59,430
were in in Albuquerque I think and they

2067
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:03,950
went to dinner and it was at that dinner

2068
01:51:11,930 --> 01:51:09,360
that Carl flock made the announcement to

2069
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:11,940
everyone present that he no longer

2070
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:18,170
believed that Roswell was a crash saucer

2071
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:22,050
crashed extraterrestrial vehicle right

2072
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:25,530
but he bought into the project mogul he

2073
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:28,770
bought into the project mogul story and

2074
01:51:32,890 --> 01:51:30,489
and

2075
01:51:34,780 --> 01:51:32,900
gary said he felt like the rug was

2076
01:51:36,459 --> 01:51:34,790
pulled out from under him he just he

2077
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:36,469
couldn't believe it he couldn't believe

2078
01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:38,690
that this guy that had been so close to

2079
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:42,110
and had been so involved in the Roswell

2080
01:51:54,839 --> 01:51:47,570
story was now doing an about-face well

2081
01:51:57,970 --> 01:51:54,849
into the idiot my issue this is this is

2082
01:52:00,490 --> 01:51:57,980
first off Karl flock is dead okay so

2083
01:52:03,399 --> 01:52:00,500
it's not here to defend himself on this

2084
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:03,409
show and I'm not going to you know slap

2085
01:52:09,970 --> 01:52:05,420
a dead man around that's just not cool

2086
01:52:13,540 --> 01:52:09,980
but hey you know if we are to believe

2087
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:13,550
Karl flocks past and his CV and his

2088
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:17,270
resume you know CIA as a Deputy

2089
01:52:21,310 --> 01:52:19,040
Assistant Secretary of Defense and

2090
01:52:23,260 --> 01:52:21,320
Reagan administration you know and

2091
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:23,270
everything about his background

2092
01:52:29,729 --> 01:52:25,730
and the way that he talked about these

2093
01:52:31,930 --> 01:52:29,739
subjects and did everything he could to

2094
01:52:34,899 --> 01:52:31,940
discredit people I think he was a

2095
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:34,909
disinfo guy well I asked I've asked you

2096
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:37,130
that I said do you think that that with

2097
01:52:40,419 --> 01:52:39,050
your association and getting so close to

2098
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:40,429
him do you think that it was

2099
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:43,130
disinformation that he was using you in

2100
01:52:48,609 --> 01:52:46,239
in it really he was heading toward

2101
01:52:51,729 --> 01:52:48,619
disinformation and still working for the

2102
01:52:54,819 --> 01:52:51,739
CIA and he said I don't know it's it's

2103
01:52:59,310 --> 01:52:54,829
certainly possible I know this that and

2104
01:53:06,300 --> 01:52:59,320
you probably know it too that carlock's

2105
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:06,310
wife was the executive secretary to

2106
01:53:13,390 --> 01:53:09,260
Steven chef yep representative Steven

2107
01:53:16,540 --> 01:53:13,400
shift and Gary actually set up some

2108
01:53:20,669 --> 01:53:16,550
meetings the meetings between Steven

2109
01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:20,679
shift and Glenn Dennis and Walter Hahn

2110
01:53:28,510 --> 01:53:23,860
and was present at those meetings and

2111
01:53:33,220 --> 01:53:28,520
said that Steven Schiff was very nervous

2112
01:53:36,339 --> 01:53:33,230
about talking about Roswell in his

2113
01:53:39,819 --> 01:53:36,349
office with his secretary which was

2114
01:53:41,429 --> 01:53:39,829
phlox wife only when they went out to

2115
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:41,439
lunch

2116
01:53:50,549 --> 01:53:46,090
did did shift open up and they found out

2117
01:53:53,310 --> 01:53:50,559
that he firmly believed as best I can

2118
01:53:55,379 --> 01:53:53,320
tell from Gary's comments to me right

2119
01:53:57,810 --> 01:53:55,389
that shift really believed he didn't go

2120
01:53:59,870 --> 01:53:57,820
public and say that he was an absolute

2121
01:54:05,699 --> 01:53:59,880
believer that Roswell was an

2122
01:54:07,859 --> 01:54:05,709
extraterrestrial event but in but it was

2123
01:54:10,290 --> 01:54:07,869
clear that you did but he wouldn't talk

2124
01:54:13,649 --> 01:54:10,300
in front of Fox wife because he knew

2125
01:54:16,319 --> 01:54:13,659
that flock was CIA and disinfo she would

2126
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,329
run her mouth back to him he would flock

2127
01:54:21,239 --> 01:54:18,880
would go back to the agency right the

2128
01:54:23,939 --> 01:54:21,249
company and and run his mouth on ship

2129
01:54:26,219 --> 01:54:23,949
ship definitely stuck his neck out for

2130
01:54:29,609 --> 01:54:26,229
you follow G there's no question about

2131
01:54:32,459 --> 01:54:29,619
his interest there and and we owe a lot

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01:54:35,489 --> 01:54:32,469
to Steven chef but that is a pretty

2133
01:54:36,779 --> 01:54:35,499
interesting observation by chef and by

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01:54:39,659 --> 01:54:36,789
Gary that yeah

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01:54:44,909 --> 01:54:39,669
Schiff wouldn't talk until he was out of

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01:54:48,060 --> 01:54:44,919
her presence that that is the gist of it

2137
01:54:50,489 --> 01:54:48,070
as I as I remember our conversation my

2138
01:54:52,799 --> 01:54:50,499
conversation with Gary and I think we've

2139
01:54:55,409 --> 01:54:52,809
had a lot of conversations about a lot

2140
01:54:58,049 --> 01:54:55,419
of things that went on with his visits

2141
01:54:59,969 --> 01:54:58,059
to Roswell and his association with

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01:55:03,989 --> 01:54:59,979
those three men and and some of the

2143
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:03,999
others the whose names escape me right

2144
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:06,130
now that were involved with in the

2145
01:55:11,790 --> 01:55:09,130
development of the International UFO

2146
01:55:14,429 --> 01:55:11,800
museum & research right and Roswell

2147
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:14,439
right and it's it's it's fascinating

2148
01:55:19,529 --> 01:55:17,110
yeah it is and this is why I love doing

2149
01:55:21,179 --> 01:55:19,539
this show right now I mean this is great

2150
01:55:22,799 --> 01:55:21,189
stuff the audience is just you know

2151
01:55:24,959 --> 01:55:22,809
everybody just leaned into these

2152
01:55:27,709 --> 01:55:24,969
speakers a little bit like what sir

2153
01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:27,719
where's Church and Larry going really

2154
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:31,689
but you know flock you know I've read

2155
01:55:37,649 --> 01:55:34,719
his stuff over the years and he just

2156
01:55:40,919 --> 01:55:37,659
always always what I know now you know

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01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:40,929
I'm confident in the my assessment of

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01:55:45,540 --> 01:55:43,570
him but I never trusted that guy I just

2159
01:55:47,909 --> 01:55:45,550
didn't like him I didn't like the way he

2160
01:55:49,469 --> 01:55:47,919
looked I didn't like the way he wrote I

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01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:49,479
just didn't like the way he handled

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01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:51,610
himself and this was way before

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01:55:55,710 --> 01:55:53,650
everything blew up you know

2164
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:55,720
that you know like I said now he's dead

2165
01:55:59,790 --> 01:55:57,370
and you know I'm not gonna talk smack

2166
01:56:02,370 --> 01:55:59,800
I'm not I'm just saying my observations

2167
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:02,380
about him today what we know and what I

2168
01:56:08,820 --> 01:56:04,960
know you know the guy was a disinfo guy

2169
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:08,830
that's it that's it well you know Gary

2170
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:11,650
won't speak harshly of him either

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01:56:16,290 --> 01:56:14,530
he just said that he felt like the rug

2172
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:16,300
was pulled out from under that's my

2173
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:18,310
words but he said he was just wouldn't

2174
01:56:24,330 --> 01:56:21,250
he said when Carl came over with that he

2175
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:24,340
said I was just flabbergasted because

2176
01:56:32,220 --> 01:56:28,690
it's it's such an idiot story as as we

2177
01:56:36,210 --> 01:56:32,230
know you know you can devote the the

2178
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:36,220
mobile balloon story easily but and it

2179
01:56:40,710 --> 01:56:38,800
has been right it has been and for and

2180
01:56:41,370 --> 01:56:40,720
this is we've got to take a break right

2181
01:56:45,180 --> 01:56:41,380
here Larry

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01:56:47,220 --> 01:56:45,190
but for flock look let's let's let's

2183
01:56:47,780 --> 01:56:47,230
just put the pieces of the puzzle

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01:56:51,450 --> 01:56:47,790
together

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01:56:54,810 --> 01:56:51,460
CIA worked in the Reagan administration

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01:56:57,210 --> 01:56:54,820
was in the defense side of things turned

2187
01:57:00,750 --> 01:56:57,220
UFO researcher and starts discrediting

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01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:00,760
people come on right right my guest

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01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:02,770
tonight is Larry hull CIM this is fade

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clever calm did you know that when

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you're on the road with limited data or

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every minute of fade to black by just

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calling six oh five five six two four

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anywhere

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[Applause]

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02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:35,869
you wanna know a secret

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I love police I really love ponies I'm

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serious I couldn't stay sane without

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poor mr. brush why fade to black because

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this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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02:01:02,880 --> 02:00:58,610
on the game changer radio network and K

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GRA the global radio alliance

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[Music]

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02:01:22,540 --> 02:01:18,730
all right welcome back fade to black

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02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:22,550
I'm Yours chimi Church this portion of

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02:01:28,780 --> 02:01:24,080
the shows brought to you by sacred

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skulls oh yeah Judi Kyle just go to

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over at a Jimmy Church radio you've seen

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yours and all you have to do is mention

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Jimmy when you order it's that simple

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mention Jimmy 15% off of your next

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sacred skull sacred skulls calm our

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guest tonight Larry all come and now

2289
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:54,140
Larry moving on from Carl flock all he

2290
02:01:59,560 --> 02:01:56,210
does it just just just gets my blood

2291
02:02:02,680 --> 02:01:59,570
boiling that whole disinfo campaign of

2292
02:02:05,140 --> 02:02:02,690
which is a very active today and I

2293
02:02:09,610 --> 02:02:05,150
wanted to discuss the presidents in UFOs

2294
02:02:13,990 --> 02:02:09,620
your book we are now into a new

2295
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:14,000
administration with a Donald Trump do

2296
02:02:19,390 --> 02:02:16,730
you think that he has been read in I'm

2297
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:19,400
assuming that he has but with all of the

2298
02:02:23,380 --> 02:02:21,650
information that you have compiled let's

2299
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:23,390
kind of start with this administration

2300
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:24,890
and work backwards a little bit

2301
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:28,850
I do you think he's concerned I don't

2302
02:02:37,780 --> 02:02:34,730
know but I I would think so you know

2303
02:02:44,530 --> 02:02:37,790
when I wrote the book I didn't think

2304
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:44,540
that that Obama was really in the loop

2305
02:02:51,190 --> 02:02:48,320
of knowledge because I think this there

2306
02:02:52,930 --> 02:02:51,200
is a group of people that control a very

2307
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:52,940
small group of people that control this

2308
02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:55,610
information and they decide what

2309
02:03:02,070 --> 02:02:57,290
presidents will know and what they won't

2310
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:02,080
know and and what they need to know is

2311
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:05,030
I'm criticized by that by a lot of

2312
02:03:08,890 --> 02:03:06,650
people that say that's ridiculous all

2313
02:03:10,300 --> 02:03:08,900
presidents this would be a subject as

2314
02:03:14,740 --> 02:03:10,310
all presidents from that would need to

2315
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:14,750
know but I don't think so I think it's I

2316
02:03:22,620 --> 02:03:18,530
think there's some that that the the

2317
02:03:25,100 --> 02:03:22,630
keepers of the secret if you will favor

2318
02:03:31,190 --> 02:03:25,110
more than others

2319
02:03:35,090 --> 02:03:31,200
but Obama made some statements on Jimmy

2320
02:03:39,970 --> 02:03:35,100
Kimmel Jimmy seems to be a conduit of

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02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:39,980
information for various presidents and

2322
02:03:47,660 --> 02:03:43,410
or asking various presidents about their

2323
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:47,670
knowledge of UFOs and has gotten some

2324
02:03:59,000 --> 02:03:53,370
interesting comments Hillary Clinton for

2325
02:04:02,150 --> 02:03:59,010
one Obama made a laughing comment and I

2326
02:04:06,050 --> 02:04:02,160
can't remember and quoted exactly but

2327
02:04:12,860 --> 02:04:06,060
his his he laughed and said they don't

2328
02:04:18,890 --> 02:04:12,870
love us talk about that so was he was he

2329
02:04:22,010 --> 02:04:18,900
being glib or was that glibness the

2330
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:22,020
truth I think the one of the most

2331
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:25,650
revealing interviews was with george w

2332
02:04:36,350 --> 02:04:32,250
bush and and i cant again quote the back

2333
02:04:40,190 --> 02:04:36,360
and forth between the two kim off to

2334
02:04:43,670 --> 02:04:40,200
george w bush but he was asking voice

2335
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:43,680
you know the are you told certain things

2336
02:04:55,310 --> 02:04:49,500
or are you given secrets about UFOs and

2337
02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:55,320
and such things and and and bush said

2338
02:05:01,460 --> 02:04:57,330
you know my my daughters have asked me

2339
02:05:05,930 --> 02:05:01,470
the same thing and Kimmel said did you

2340
02:05:08,030 --> 02:05:05,940
tell him and he said no no and he said

2341
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:08,040
you you mean you've got secrets you will

2342
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:12,330
tell anybody he said no no not at all

2343
02:05:17,420 --> 02:05:14,610
and Kimmel said well are you telling me

2344
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:17,430
that lesson some of us know and Bush

2345
02:05:22,270 --> 02:05:20,450
says I'm not telling you nothing

2346
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:22,280
everybody laughed

2347
02:05:29,090 --> 02:05:28,170
but it it it was very telling to me that

2348
02:05:34,130 --> 02:05:29,100
yeah

2349
02:05:36,050 --> 02:05:34,140
they know they're they there who are in

2350
02:05:38,490 --> 02:05:36,060
the loop of knowledge depending on who

2351
02:05:41,250 --> 02:05:38,500
they are and how much they know

2352
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:41,260
I think Dick Cheney is well into the

2353
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:44,890
Louisville knowledge well this is this

2354
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:46,960
is what I kind of trip on when it comes

2355
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:48,930
to Trump this is what I was hoping for

2356
02:05:57,060 --> 02:05:53,770
that he has diarrhea of the mouth he

2357
02:05:59,820 --> 02:05:57,070
can't keep his mouth shut right so what

2358
02:06:02,370 --> 02:05:59,830
I was hoping is that he would get read

2359
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:02,380
in he would find out and then he would

2360
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,210
just run to Twitter guess what they just

2361
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:06,400
I have just distract us how aliens are

2362
02:06:12,270 --> 02:06:08,530
real and that's what I was hoping for

2363
02:06:14,939 --> 02:06:12,280
but the more that I think about it those

2364
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:14,949
that are in possession of this that

2365
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:17,920
should be reading him in know that he's

2366
02:06:23,180 --> 02:06:19,810
gonna go run his mouth he can't keep a

2367
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:23,190
secret and so therefore they probably

2368
02:06:28,110 --> 02:06:25,330
didn't tell him anything

2369
02:06:31,650 --> 02:06:28,120
he's the one guy that you couldn't trust

2370
02:06:34,830 --> 02:06:31,660
with secret information well there's

2371
02:06:37,110 --> 02:06:34,840
also another way to look at it it could

2372
02:06:43,770 --> 02:06:37,120
be that if they were brought into the

2373
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:43,780
loop of knowledge it could be this they

2374
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:46,570
could realize that it is so important

2375
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:53,760
that it absolutely can't be divulged

2376
02:07:02,880 --> 02:06:56,560
yeah I mean we could speculate on this

2377
02:07:07,709 --> 02:07:02,890
from now until next week but it

2378
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:07,719
I have great mixed feelings about it is

2379
02:07:13,950 --> 02:07:10,239
it would it be too devastating for the

2380
02:07:17,370 --> 02:07:13,960
population to know would it be is it is

2381
02:07:23,490 --> 02:07:17,380
it something that is so deep and it

2382
02:07:30,420 --> 02:07:23,500
involves so many areas of not just ET

2383
02:07:32,370 --> 02:07:30,430
visitation and and an advanced society

2384
02:07:37,550 --> 02:07:32,380
or a group of people that are visiting

2385
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:37,560
earth but it involves time travel

2386
02:07:48,570 --> 02:07:45,250
interdimensional issues and and that he

2387
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:48,580
goes so deep into areas that shock relay

2388
02:07:53,890 --> 02:07:50,000
has gone into

2389
02:07:58,270 --> 02:07:53,900
that when they're told about it it's

2390
02:08:00,160 --> 02:07:58,280
it's it's such a dark issue that they

2391
02:08:04,150 --> 02:08:00,170
know that they can't talk about it

2392
02:08:11,590 --> 02:08:04,160
I don't know I'm I'm you know I look at

2393
02:08:18,070 --> 02:08:11,600
it from two sides Trump Trump does speak

2394
02:08:21,870 --> 02:08:18,080
very freely and and and does it's very

2395
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:21,880
loose in in the comments that he makes

2396
02:08:31,380 --> 02:08:27,170
but maybe even Trump realizes would

2397
02:08:34,810 --> 02:08:31,390
realize the importance of this being

2398
02:08:39,940 --> 02:08:34,820
being kept extremely highly classified

2399
02:08:43,240 --> 02:08:39,950
and so what he's told what he's been

2400
02:08:45,460 --> 02:08:43,250
told I don't know Jimmy I just it's it's

2401
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:45,470
it's a mystery it's a mystery to me that

2402
02:08:54,430 --> 02:08:50,090
it's something that I that I keep

2403
02:08:57,070 --> 02:08:54,440
looking at and keep mulling over and I'm

2404
02:08:59,440 --> 02:08:57,080
aggravated at the news media the way

2405
02:09:03,010 --> 02:08:59,450
they treat it you know why can't they

2406
02:09:05,230 --> 02:09:03,020
get involved in it why why does the

2407
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:05,240
media treat it as such a yuck yuck

2408
02:09:10,330 --> 02:09:07,610
factor the government has done one hell

2409
02:09:12,940 --> 02:09:10,340
of a good job it's shutting the media up

2410
02:09:16,350 --> 02:09:12,950
I'm sorry I didn't mean to no you're

2411
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:16,360
absolutely you know they they have done

2412
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:21,110
an outstanding job over the last 30 to

2413
02:09:29,260 --> 02:09:24,800
40 years of clamping down on this

2414
02:09:33,460 --> 02:09:29,270
subject and and I would not be at all

2415
02:09:36,670 --> 02:09:33,470
surprised to find that the major movers

2416
02:09:41,620 --> 02:09:36,680
and shakers in the print and electronic

2417
02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:41,630
media have been told this is an issue

2418
02:09:54,130 --> 02:09:48,710
you stay away from and and just avoid it

2419
02:09:57,670 --> 02:09:54,140
at all if you want to keep your license

2420
02:10:00,250 --> 02:09:57,680
or whatever I don't know now I I think

2421
02:10:01,459 --> 02:10:00,260
that I think that there's that's

2422
02:10:05,299 --> 02:10:01,469
something that I

2423
02:10:07,759 --> 02:10:05,309
to investigating but there is one out of

2424
02:10:10,549 --> 02:10:07,769
all of the presidential stories you know

2425
02:10:13,790 --> 02:10:10,559
hisin Hauer and truman and kennedy and

2426
02:10:15,830 --> 02:10:13,800
we talked about you know Carter and his

2427
02:10:19,729 --> 02:10:15,840
famous sighting that reported to MUFON

2428
02:10:22,939 --> 02:10:19,739
and I think it was MUFON but or maybe it

2429
02:10:25,250 --> 02:10:22,949
was an eye cap but anyway you know and

2430
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:25,260
Clinton and of course Hillary and

2431
02:10:30,589 --> 02:10:29,010
Podesta and and Jimmy Kimmel and all of

2432
02:10:34,459 --> 02:10:30,599
that okay we could talk about but there

2433
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:34,469
is one fascinating story to me and that

2434
02:10:43,180 --> 02:10:38,729
is Jackie Gleason and Nixon and Florida

2435
02:10:48,379 --> 02:10:43,190
and what went down there now by all

2436
02:10:51,649 --> 02:10:48,389
accounts it appears that this this this

2437
02:10:54,589 --> 02:10:51,659
escapade what else to call it this

2438
02:10:57,709 --> 02:10:54,599
drinking thing that they did actually

2439
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:57,719
happened what can you tell us about that

2440
02:11:04,219 --> 02:11:00,960
and did you look into it oh yeah I wrote

2441
02:11:06,129 --> 02:11:04,229
about it in the book and it's a

2442
02:11:10,250 --> 02:11:06,139
fascinating story

2443
02:11:13,209 --> 02:11:10,260
Gleason's ex-wife Beverly but kicked in

2444
02:11:16,969 --> 02:11:13,219
the kitchen police and I believe it was

2445
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:16,979
was going to write a book and I started

2446
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:21,210
writing a book and she this was I don't

2447
02:11:25,729 --> 02:11:23,070
know one of the magazines got ahold of

2448
02:11:30,439 --> 02:11:25,739
some of the preliminary parts of the

2449
02:11:34,279 --> 02:11:30,449
book and this story was in there and the

2450
02:11:36,799 --> 02:11:34,289
gleason the Nixon slipped away from the

2451
02:11:39,439 --> 02:11:36,809
Secret Service and came over to Gleason

2452
02:11:44,350 --> 02:11:39,449
sighs picked him up and went to

2453
02:11:48,799 --> 02:11:44,360
homestead Air Force Base and showed him

2454
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:48,809
remains of a saucer and alien beings

2455
02:11:56,509 --> 02:11:54,079
that were housed there and Gleason was

2456
02:12:02,930 --> 02:11:56,519
terribly shaken up by now we know that

2457
02:12:05,779 --> 02:12:02,940
Gleason was a tremendous fan of UFOs in

2458
02:12:08,959 --> 02:12:05,789
flying saucers had something like

2459
02:12:11,629 --> 02:12:08,969
sixteen hundred books that when he died

2460
02:12:14,540 --> 02:12:11,639
was doumitt donated to the University of

2461
02:12:16,100 --> 02:12:14,550
Miami library built his house built his

2462
02:12:18,649 --> 02:12:16,110
house like a flying

2463
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:18,659
well the hosts up in New York

2464
02:12:23,090 --> 02:12:20,730
yeah it's pretty crazy I've got I've got

2465
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:23,100
pictures that somebody snuck on the

2466
02:12:27,979 --> 02:12:25,770
property and then read my book and email

2467
02:12:30,169 --> 02:12:27,989
me pictures that they took of the house

2468
02:12:32,030 --> 02:12:30,179
and the outbuildings that look like

2469
02:12:35,709 --> 02:12:32,040
little flying saucers that he calls

2470
02:12:38,540 --> 02:12:35,719
skirt ships all of them so yes so so oh

2471
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:38,550
yeah I've got these pictures and I wish

2472
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:41,130
I had them when the book was published I

2473
02:12:51,530 --> 02:12:46,370
want to put them in a book but it's it's

2474
02:12:54,860 --> 02:12:51,540
there's the story of Nixon Nixon is the

2475
02:12:58,850 --> 02:12:54,870
one exception to the disclosure story

2476
02:13:02,570 --> 02:12:58,860
and Nixon is really the core if you

2477
02:13:04,899 --> 02:13:02,580
remember of my book that that's built my

2478
02:13:09,709 --> 02:13:04,909
book is built around because I think

2479
02:13:14,020 --> 02:13:09,719
Nixon through the the documentary

2480
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:14,030
documentary UFOs past president future

2481
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:18,210
was well on the way to making some level

2482
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:21,679
of disclosure which would fit because

2483
02:13:28,010 --> 02:13:25,350
Nixon you know he looked as a villain

2484
02:13:32,030 --> 02:13:28,020
now but he had tremendous popularity was

2485
02:13:32,899 --> 02:13:32,040
reelected by almost historic majority of

2486
02:13:36,620 --> 02:13:32,909
the popular vote

2487
02:13:38,540 --> 02:13:36,630
he was extremely popular it opened he

2488
02:13:40,729 --> 02:13:38,550
had open relations he'd gone to China

2489
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:40,739
and open relations with China to taunt

2490
02:13:48,709 --> 02:13:43,530
with the Russians if he could add it to

2491
02:13:51,290 --> 02:13:48,719
disclosure to these events he would have

2492
02:13:53,090 --> 02:13:51,300
been a historic president but Watergate

2493
02:14:00,890 --> 02:13:53,100
came along and the whole thing was shut

2494
02:14:02,959 --> 02:14:00,900
down and and so I think that that the

2495
02:14:08,750 --> 02:14:02,969
Nixon story is one of the most

2496
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:08,760
fascinating stories in all of you follow

2497
02:14:17,419 --> 02:14:13,530
gee because of what he conceivably was

2498
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:17,429
on the way to do or to tell or to

2499
02:14:25,490 --> 02:14:23,760
release and well Bob Abbey you know what

2500
02:14:27,099 --> 02:14:25,500
before we get to Edmund Egger I do want

2501
02:14:30,339 --> 02:14:27,109
to talk to him and we're gonna

2502
02:14:33,909 --> 02:14:30,349
get close to running into the end of the

2503
02:14:35,769 --> 02:14:33,919
show but the the story this is the

2504
02:14:39,189 --> 02:14:35,779
fascinating part about this Jackie

2505
02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:39,199
Gleason Nixon story Nixon goes over to

2506
02:14:43,689 --> 02:14:41,209
Gleason's house they're drinking right

2507
02:14:45,459 --> 02:14:43,699
and they're like hanging out and we all

2508
02:14:47,709 --> 02:14:45,469
know that Nixon liked to drink we know

2509
02:14:49,689 --> 02:14:47,719
that Gleason liked to drink and it

2510
02:14:52,599 --> 02:14:49,699
started to get into the evening they

2511
02:14:56,289 --> 02:14:52,609
start talking about UFOs and Nixon

2512
02:14:58,839 --> 02:14:56,299
literally says to Jackie hey you want to

2513
02:15:02,349 --> 02:14:58,849
jump in the car I can show you a flying

2514
02:15:03,399 --> 02:15:02,359
saucer and and Gleason says let's go do

2515
02:15:06,939 --> 02:15:03,409
this and that

2516
02:15:09,669 --> 02:15:06,949
that's a craze but but like I said by

2517
02:15:10,989 --> 02:15:09,679
all accounts that we have that's exactly

2518
02:15:14,199 --> 02:15:10,999
how it went down

2519
02:15:15,609 --> 02:15:14,209
wasn't it pretty much so I think they

2520
02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:15,619
started talking about all the golf

2521
02:15:26,169 --> 02:15:23,689
course right golf course and and as I

2522
02:15:28,689 --> 02:15:26,179
understand it yet Nixon probably had a

2523
02:15:32,019 --> 02:15:28,699
few drinks at home and then maybe called

2524
02:15:34,299 --> 02:15:32,029
Gleason Mile Road and it's hard to me

2525
02:15:35,739 --> 02:15:34,309
it's hard to imagine how he could slip

2526
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:35,749
away from the Secret Service but

2527
02:15:43,299 --> 02:15:40,159
apparently he did on occasion and their

2528
02:15:47,979 --> 02:15:43,309
various stories that that that he went

2529
02:15:52,329 --> 02:15:47,989
he and Gleason went to homestead another

2530
02:15:55,439 --> 02:15:52,339
story is that he Gleason Nixon didn't go

2531
02:15:59,639 --> 02:15:55,449
with him but he had Gleason flown to

2532
02:16:04,149 --> 02:15:59,649
Elgin Air Force Base to see these things

2533
02:16:06,879 --> 02:16:04,159
these artifacts the song you know there

2534
02:16:11,529 --> 02:16:06,889
are some there some various stories but

2535
02:16:17,339 --> 02:16:11,539
it's it it is a very good side light to

2536
02:16:22,059 --> 02:16:17,349
the overall Nixon story about Nixon and

2537
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:22,069
impossible disclosure because he did

2538
02:16:27,069 --> 02:16:24,169
have an interest in it and you got in

2539
02:16:29,559 --> 02:16:27,079
you got to think of this if if you've

2540
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:29,569
got a friend like Jackie Gleason and

2541
02:16:36,669 --> 02:16:32,409
they were pretty close apparently mm-hmm

2542
02:16:39,310 --> 02:16:36,679
if if let's say if you were a close

2543
02:16:43,629 --> 02:16:39,320
friend of

2544
02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:43,639
crops wouldn't you be bending from sear

2545
02:16:51,940 --> 02:16:48,770
look I release some of this information

2546
02:16:54,910 --> 02:16:51,950
it's it's stupid that it's being kept

2547
02:16:58,780 --> 02:16:54,920
from the people from the population you

2548
02:17:04,180 --> 02:16:58,790
can't imagine that if a person like

2549
02:17:08,350 --> 02:17:04,190
Gleason who had such a tremendous avid

2550
02:17:09,790 --> 02:17:08,360
interest in the subject and he was so

2551
02:17:12,750 --> 02:17:09,800
close to the President of the United

2552
02:17:17,140 --> 02:17:12,760
States that he wouldn't be bending

2553
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:17,150
nixon's here to release some information

2554
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:20,330
anyway some form of disclosure and if

2555
02:17:26,169 --> 02:17:22,730
you had a president like Nixon who was

2556
02:17:29,350 --> 02:17:26,179
very interested in it who had been vice

2557
02:17:32,140 --> 02:17:29,360
president to to Eisenhower who we all

2558
02:17:35,980 --> 02:17:32,150
believe had a great deal of knowledge of

2559
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:35,990
this of the subject it's just hard to

2560
02:17:40,180 --> 02:17:38,240
believe that the the Gleason didn't

2561
02:17:42,730 --> 02:17:40,190
really put some pressure on his good

2562
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:42,740
friend to release this information and

2563
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:47,270
Nixon saw it as a chance to elevate his

2564
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:49,760
platform if you will his standing with

2565
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:52,610
the other accomplishments that he had

2566
02:17:58,260 --> 02:17:54,770
made with Red China and in to talk with

2567
02:18:01,510 --> 02:17:58,270
the Russians and and other things well

2568
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:01,520
yes it does fit and the other part that

2569
02:18:07,919 --> 02:18:05,770
is very important here is Jackie Gleason

2570
02:18:10,330 --> 02:18:07,929
especially back in nineteen seventy

2571
02:18:14,140 --> 02:18:10,340
seventy one seventy two when Nixon was

2572
02:18:18,129 --> 02:18:14,150
president Jackie Gleason was a star a

2573
02:18:21,129 --> 02:18:18,139
real one a real celebrity there were

2574
02:18:23,680 --> 02:18:21,139
very few that were at Jackie Gleason's

2575
02:18:25,930 --> 02:18:23,690
level of influence in the entertainment

2576
02:18:28,209 --> 02:18:25,940
industry as a celebrity in across the

2577
02:18:31,299 --> 02:18:28,219
United States he was extremely popular

2578
02:18:34,330 --> 02:18:31,309
and you know he was up there with Elvis

2579
02:18:36,730 --> 02:18:34,340
or Sinatra you know Jackie Gleason and

2580
02:18:40,270 --> 02:18:36,740
that's a Bob Hope right that's who we're

2581
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:40,280
talking about here and his there's no

2582
02:18:45,730 --> 02:18:42,950
question about it and and at that same

2583
02:18:49,720 --> 02:18:45,740
time when this was going down with

2584
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:49,730
Jackie was this documentary and UFOs

2585
02:18:52,940 --> 02:18:51,770
past person and future I think is what

2586
02:18:55,640 --> 02:18:52,950
it was called what help me

2587
02:18:58,610 --> 02:18:55,650
out here that's right okay the original

2588
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:58,620
was UFOs past present and future and it

2589
02:19:03,410 --> 02:19:00,960
was released a couple of years later

2590
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:03,420
with some added footage that Bob

2591
02:19:11,060 --> 02:19:06,690
emanated and like by the way called it

2592
02:19:15,010 --> 02:19:11,070
has become UFOs it has become but the

2593
02:19:18,970 --> 02:19:15,020
the documentary is is historic because

2594
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:18,980
it's it it supports the

2595
02:19:25,940 --> 02:19:22,880
extra-terrestrial hypothesis and it

2596
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:25,950
obviously had the support of the

2597
02:19:30,590 --> 02:19:28,050
government in this case the Nixon

2598
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,600
administration we know now that there

2599
02:19:36,890 --> 02:19:32,880
were elements with insight inside the

2600
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:36,900
government that were opposed to this but

2601
02:19:44,020 --> 02:19:39,930
Nixon was very powerful and he wanted it

2602
02:19:47,470 --> 02:19:44,030
done and I think it would have been done

2603
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:47,480
until Watergate reared its ugly head and

2604
02:19:51,470 --> 02:19:49,040
[Music]

2605
02:19:57,650 --> 02:19:51,480
they decided that they would back off

2606
02:20:00,140 --> 02:19:57,660
from it but it was still made with the

2607
02:20:03,171 --> 02:20:00,150
support of the White House I mean you

2608
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:03,181
don't hate camera crews crews in into

2609
02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:05,970
the into the Pentagon right and

2610
02:20:14,990 --> 02:20:09,450
photograph the formal public relations

2611
02:20:16,910 --> 02:20:15,000
officer Colonel William Coleman walking

2612
02:20:19,011 --> 02:20:16,920
the halls of the Pentagon and standing

2613
02:20:21,980 --> 02:20:19,021
underneath the picture or at vandenberg

2614
02:20:25,850 --> 02:20:21,990
and talking about the famous estimate of

2615
02:20:28,220 --> 02:20:25,860
the situation the concerning UFOs or

2616
02:20:30,890 --> 02:20:28,230
flying saucers you just you don't do

2617
02:20:36,261 --> 02:20:30,900
that unless you've got solid government

2618
02:20:40,580 --> 02:20:36,271
support so it is an extraordinary it is

2619
02:20:43,850 --> 02:20:40,590
the word unique is used too often but

2620
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:43,860
this is a unique documentary I think of

2621
02:20:49,761 --> 02:20:46,170
all times yeah I totally agree with that

2622
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:49,771
and the the documentary itself which is

2623
02:20:56,030 --> 02:20:53,130
five seen it 50 times if I've seen it

2624
02:20:59,301 --> 02:20:56,040
once the documentary is one thing the

2625
02:21:01,341 --> 02:20:59,311
backstory behind the documentary and the

2626
02:21:03,591 --> 02:21:01,351
Spy vs spy cat-and-mouse

2627
02:21:05,390 --> 02:21:03,601
cloak-and-dagger

2628
02:21:07,491 --> 02:21:05,400
things that were going on behind the

2629
02:21:09,051 --> 02:21:07,501
scenes one of the one of the greatest

2630
02:21:11,421 --> 02:21:09,061
that that should have been the

2631
02:21:13,371 --> 02:21:11,431
documentary actually oh that's there's

2632
02:21:17,230 --> 02:21:13,381
no question about it you know I spent I

2633
02:21:19,881 --> 02:21:17,240
spent a night with Bob in the Emma Mayer

2634
02:21:23,180 --> 02:21:19,891
who wrote the documentary and

2635
02:21:26,751 --> 02:21:23,190
co-produced it with Allan Sandler my

2636
02:21:28,491 --> 02:21:26,761
wife and I spent evening at his home and

2637
02:21:31,400 --> 02:21:28,501
spent the night there in the next

2638
02:21:33,621 --> 02:21:31,410
morning we got up had coffee we took Bob

2639
02:21:37,060 --> 02:21:33,631
late to dinner and we talked about it

2640
02:21:40,781 --> 02:21:37,070
and the the background of it is just

2641
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:40,791
incredible I mean it's it's incredible

2642
02:21:46,281 --> 02:21:44,160
they had Bob friend in the documentary

2643
02:21:48,980 --> 02:21:46,291
who was retired from the Air Force and

2644
02:21:51,140 --> 02:21:48,990
he was part of he was a director of

2645
02:21:55,791 --> 02:21:51,150
Project Blue Book for a while and and

2646
02:22:00,411 --> 02:21:55,801
tried to do a good job after ed rappel

2647
02:22:01,911 --> 02:22:00,421
left but he was hampered by the Air

2648
02:22:07,881 --> 02:22:01,921
Force when they want to turn it into

2649
02:22:12,951 --> 02:22:07,891
nothing but a propaganda tool but Bob

2650
02:22:14,991 --> 02:22:12,961
friend was in it just it's just an

2651
02:22:18,110 --> 02:22:15,001
amazing documentary and the in you're

2652
02:22:22,310 --> 02:22:18,120
right the backstory is is far more

2653
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:22,320
important than the than the documentary

2654
02:22:30,621 --> 02:22:24,570
itself which I write about in the book

2655
02:22:34,791 --> 02:22:30,631
is Bob how old is Bob Bob is well into

2656
02:22:39,291 --> 02:22:34,801
his late 80s I don't know how well off

2657
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:39,301
he is I sent Bob an email but two weeks

2658
02:22:45,230 --> 02:22:41,730
ago and I have not heard from him so I'm

2659
02:22:48,680 --> 02:22:45,240
concerned that that he may not be doing

2660
02:22:52,400 --> 02:22:48,690
well because he always got back to me

2661
02:22:55,430 --> 02:22:52,410
and so I I haven't heard from him I

2662
02:22:57,591 --> 02:22:55,440
think that there could be some problems

2663
02:23:00,291 --> 02:22:57,601
yeah well he's I know that he's getting

2664
02:23:03,801 --> 02:23:00,301
up there but and I've expressed this to

2665
02:23:06,831 --> 02:23:03,811
you before I would love to get him on

2666
02:23:10,371 --> 02:23:06,841
fade to black and just to talk look I

2667
02:23:13,310 --> 02:23:10,381
have a general genuine not only

2668
02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:13,320
affection for Bob but the documentary

2669
02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:16,410
and the story behind it and

2670
02:23:21,610 --> 02:23:19,170
it's just it needs to be documented and

2671
02:23:25,791 --> 02:23:21,620
and and spoken about one more time and

2672
02:23:28,131 --> 02:23:25,801
yeah yeah I know 88 89 years old and I

2673
02:23:29,770 --> 02:23:28,141
realize but you got to hang out with him

2674
02:23:31,970 --> 02:23:29,780
and get this information from him

2675
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:31,980
firsthand and like I said

2676
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:34,490
cloak-and-dagger spy versus spy

2677
02:23:42,980 --> 02:23:39,330
darkrooms bugs you know whispers sign

2678
02:23:44,900 --> 02:23:42,990
language oh that was going down well

2679
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:44,910
I'll try to get in touch with if I can

2680
02:23:51,381 --> 02:23:49,250
I'll let you know because his story is

2681
02:23:53,301 --> 02:23:51,391
you know I don't know what kind of shape

2682
02:23:56,121 --> 02:23:53,311
he's in there but his story well last

2683
02:24:00,970 --> 02:23:56,131
time I talked with him his he was sharp

2684
02:24:03,291 --> 02:24:00,980
as a tack right really really was and so

2685
02:24:03,770 --> 02:24:03,301
but I don't know what the situation is

2686
02:24:06,890 --> 02:24:03,780
right now

2687
02:24:08,570 --> 02:24:06,900
well I want to thank you for coming on

2688
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:08,580
tonight and having another fascinating

2689
02:24:12,591 --> 02:24:10,650
conversation and what are you doing now

2690
02:24:18,910 --> 02:24:12,601
when's the next book coming out what are

2691
02:24:24,081 --> 02:24:18,920
you doing well my agent has a book that

2692
02:24:28,610 --> 02:24:24,091
that I have a book proposal that I've

2693
02:24:30,621 --> 02:24:28,620
done on the UFOs and the media and the

2694
02:24:35,871 --> 02:24:30,631
media is treating how they've handled

2695
02:24:38,180 --> 02:24:35,881
the UFO issue but between he and st.

2696
02:24:39,921 --> 02:24:38,190
Martin's Press they say just that's for

2697
02:24:42,680 --> 02:24:39,931
the time being let's just keep working

2698
02:24:45,171 --> 02:24:42,690
on the president's and UFOs and we'll

2699
02:24:47,360 --> 02:24:45,181
see how things go I would like to

2700
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:47,370
mention that my website

2701
02:24:54,140 --> 02:24:51,570
Larry Holcomb come is gotten a bit of a

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gray beard to it and I'm reworking it

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02:24:58,640 --> 02:24:57,391
and I'll have a new website up at Larry

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02:25:02,780 --> 02:24:58,650
Holcomb dot-com

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02:25:06,171 --> 02:25:02,790
I hope within two weeks and after that

2706
02:25:09,890 --> 02:25:06,181
I'm going to have a blog so that I can I

2707
02:25:12,291 --> 02:25:09,900
can say exactly what I want too rather

2708
02:25:16,371 --> 02:25:12,301
than getting on other people's blogs and

2709
02:25:20,690 --> 02:25:16,381
websites and having people give me the

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business so I can see I can say what I

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02:25:29,229 --> 02:25:24,450
want to give them the business are you

2712
02:25:31,139 --> 02:25:29,239
speaking anywhere no I'm not

2713
02:25:33,849 --> 02:25:31,149
don't have anything lined up right now I

2714
02:25:36,969 --> 02:25:33,859
didn't primarily because they've been

2715
02:25:40,899 --> 02:25:36,979
some health issues with my wife and

2716
02:25:43,869 --> 02:25:40,909
we've been involved in that she she had

2717
02:25:45,550 --> 02:25:43,879
breast cancer a few years back eight or

2718
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:45,560
nine years ago and that's popping up

2719
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:48,319
again and that's taking a lot of time so

2720
02:25:51,039 --> 02:25:50,479
I'm I'm spending a lot of time with her

2721
02:25:54,340 --> 02:25:51,049
right now

2722
02:25:56,619 --> 02:25:54,350
but as much as you should my friend and

2723
02:25:58,960 --> 02:25:56,629
you know our thoughts and our hearts are

2724
02:26:01,869 --> 02:25:58,970
with you and your family and and a bit

2725
02:26:04,599 --> 02:26:01,879
just do not stop doing what you're doing

2726
02:26:08,050 --> 02:26:04,609
and you're a treasure my friend thank

2727
02:26:12,670 --> 02:26:08,060
you so and you are too you I'm you're

2728
02:26:14,590 --> 02:26:12,680
the best and just always look forward to

2729
02:26:18,039 --> 02:26:14,600
getting on that couch with you thank you

2730
02:26:20,380 --> 02:26:18,049
so much Larry and like I said be safe

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02:26:23,619 --> 02:26:20,390
and be well and if you get in touch with

2732
02:26:25,869 --> 02:26:23,629
Bob certainly get get right back to us

2733
02:26:27,969 --> 02:26:25,879
okay I'll sure do it and give read of

2734
02:26:30,340 --> 02:26:27,979
him up best she's listening right down

2735
02:26:33,300 --> 02:26:30,350
the hall in her office thank you so much

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02:26:36,909 --> 02:26:33,310
Larry behave man you too bye though

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02:26:39,609 --> 02:26:36,919
Larry Holcomb everybody now his website

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02:26:41,019 --> 02:26:39,619
is Larry Holcomb calm you can go and

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02:26:43,359 --> 02:26:41,029
check it out the links or over to me

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02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:43,369
Church radio calm and the book one of

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02:26:49,029 --> 02:26:45,770
the best the presidents and UFOs a

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secret history from FDR to Obama all the

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02:26:51,189 --> 02:26:50,869
information is theirs from st. Martin's

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02:26:53,019 --> 02:26:51,199
Press

2745
02:26:54,189 --> 02:26:53,029
all right I'm gonna take a break I'm

2746
02:26:56,079 --> 02:26:54,199
ready to get out of here I'm gonna come

2747
02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:56,089
back and talk about some of the news

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02:26:58,689 --> 02:26:57,680
that you know nothing about and open up

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this is fade to black Thank You Larry

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great show I'll be right back

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here one of something interesting

2857
02:32:50,860 --> 02:32:45,431
happened today there were photographs

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that were leaked of Steven paddocks

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hotel room at Mandalay Bay all right and

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immediately when Wow look at these phone

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lines okay split it up three two three

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I'll get everybody in okay and so I'm

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looking at the the pictures yes it's it

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don't post him up on Twitter nobody

2866
02:33:17,890 --> 02:33:15,860
needs to see him and you know we don't

2867
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need to go there but I'm looking at him

2868
02:33:25,900 --> 02:33:23,660
yes there is a shot of him his face he

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dead in a pool of blood there's another

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shot of him half of his body the gun

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scattered around the room another shot

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and there's four that were leaked and I

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dismissed it I was like how you know and

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then today during the press conference

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live the Las Vegas PD I don't know the

2876
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the police chief he says yes the the

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four leaked photographs are real and we

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are opening up an investigation to see

2879
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how those were leaked out

2880
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today I was like holy crap those were

2881
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real absolutely so I went back and

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looked a second time knowing now that

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they were the real photographs and what

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do you think about that pretty

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interesting and it was pretty freaky to

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go back and look at him the second time

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knowing that they were actually real

2888
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kind of flipped me out all right let's

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go to the phones hi you live I'm fade to

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black who's calling okay well yeah

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you're live right now okay hi my name is

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Paul hi Paul how are you pretty good I

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just heard that you're talking about the

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incident that happened in Las Vegas a

2895
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little bit yeah I mean it's obviously

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what everybody is talking about what's

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on your mind about yeah well I just

2898
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heard you talking about it so I thought

2899
02:35:03,340 --> 02:35:00,470
I'd just quickly comment on it it just

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looks really suspicious to me I mean it

2901
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just it looks a lot like something that

2902
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is manufactured you know like don't you

2903
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just get that instinct about it

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what would well yeah I mean I think

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everybody right now was is is tripping

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out on this guy's background and again

2907
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we only know what were fed into the

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media right but we also have the ability

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to go and google anybody's name and

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images and and go and see what ended

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what the fact that his his background is

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so clean right and no military

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background to as well but yet pretty

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skilled with the guns collecting these

2915
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:48,140
kinds of no traffic tickets right I mean

2916
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:50,410
I mean nothing just a clean background

2917
02:35:56,680 --> 02:35:54,530
no suicide note no no plans he wasn't

2918
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:56,690
mad at anybody nobody has surfaced and

2919
02:36:01,960 --> 02:35:58,880
said you know he's doing this because

2920
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:01,970
he's lost his mind because of money or

2921
02:36:08,020 --> 02:36:04,370
or he got fired or any there's just

2922
02:36:10,900 --> 02:36:08,030
nothing there very great Rippey if

2923
02:36:11,690 --> 02:36:10,910
you're gonna have a patsy have this guy

2924
02:36:14,900 --> 02:36:11,700
right

2925
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:14,910
that's yeah yeah

2926
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:17,280
Jimmy is it okay if I switch gears here

2927
02:36:23,719 --> 02:36:22,050
for a minute sure okay a few weeks ago I

2928
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:23,729
actually I think it was about two weeks

2929
02:36:32,780 --> 02:36:27,660
ago you described a UFO incident that

2930
02:36:35,690 --> 02:36:32,790
you'd witnessed a UFO uh-huh and it I it

2931
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:35,700
really shocks me because your

2932
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:37,680
description of what you saw was very

2933
02:36:43,790 --> 02:36:41,280
similar to what I saw here in Vancouver

2934
02:36:50,990 --> 02:36:43,800
about two-and-a-half years ago and what

2935
02:36:55,250 --> 02:36:51,000
did you see well I I saw something in

2936
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:55,260
the sky that was I think that you said

2937
02:37:00,820 --> 02:36:58,560
that what you saw was silver and it was

2938
02:37:04,040 --> 02:37:00,830
a silver and gold and kind of shiny I

2939
02:37:07,870 --> 02:37:04,050
well I've seen I've seen a few things I

2940
02:37:12,040 --> 02:37:07,880
think what you're referring to was the

2941
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:12,050
flyover up at ESET II that flashed us

2942
02:37:19,190 --> 02:37:16,560
yeah okay all right right you know what

2943
02:37:22,910 --> 02:37:19,200
I I it was brought to my attention

2944
02:37:25,580 --> 02:37:22,920
somebody posted something on YouTube can

2945
02:37:28,040 --> 02:37:25,590
I tell you what it is and how you you

2946
02:37:32,390 --> 02:37:28,050
can find it because what I saw is

2947
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:32,400
exactly what someone else videotaped

2948
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:35,490
actually well why don't you email it to

2949
02:37:42,250 --> 02:37:39,840
me how's that okay okay that's that's

2950
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:42,260
really simple but I'm more interested in

2951
02:37:49,610 --> 02:37:46,890
and what you saw what did you see well

2952
02:37:53,030 --> 02:37:49,620
it was broad daylight and are you

2953
02:37:54,650 --> 02:37:53,040
familiar with the ability to to summon

2954
02:37:59,270 --> 02:37:54,660
these things from Beyonc of course at

2955
02:38:02,530 --> 02:37:59,280
all yes okay I was I guess you would

2956
02:38:06,410 --> 02:38:02,540
call it engaging in telepathic

2957
02:38:10,190 --> 02:38:06,420
communication okay and I was having some

2958
02:38:15,620 --> 02:38:10,200
dialogue and it wasn't my intention

2959
02:38:18,020 --> 02:38:15,630
actually to summon this thing but I'd

2960
02:38:21,770 --> 02:38:18,030
realize I'd realized that after I saw it

2961
02:38:24,350 --> 02:38:21,780
and later on when I reflected on what

2962
02:38:25,010 --> 02:38:24,360
happened that actually what happened is

2963
02:38:28,219 --> 02:38:25,020
I actually

2964
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:28,229
summon this thing and he was broad

2965
02:38:35,059 --> 02:38:29,369
daylight

2966
02:38:38,029 --> 02:38:35,069
it was actually what happened is I'd

2967
02:38:41,149 --> 02:38:38,039
gone for for a long walk and I decided

2968
02:38:44,210 --> 02:38:41,159
to just take a break and sit down and I

2969
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:44,220
was actually laying flat on my back on

2970
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:47,850
the grass I was just taking it easy out

2971
02:38:53,569 --> 02:38:51,090
in the park type of thing right and all

2972
02:38:56,450 --> 02:38:53,579
of a sudden I hear this click click

2973
02:38:58,550 --> 02:38:56,460
sound and all of a sudden that you know

2974
02:39:02,500 --> 02:38:58,560
I opened my eyes and I look up and there

2975
02:39:06,080 --> 02:39:02,510
it is it's probably about 200 yards

2976
02:39:10,790 --> 02:39:06,090
straight up in the sky no more than I'd

2977
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:10,800
say a couple hundred yards and it was it

2978
02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:15,449
was as if it was kind of morphing and it

2979
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:22,409
was silver and gold and it was yeah it

2980
02:39:28,729 --> 02:39:26,489
was just sort of it it was a solid

2981
02:39:32,149 --> 02:39:28,739
object like it wasn't it wasn't like it

2982
02:39:35,420 --> 02:39:32,159
was you know a a light or plasma or

2983
02:39:38,149 --> 02:39:35,430
anything it looked solid but it was at

2984
02:39:40,580 --> 02:39:38,159
the same time it was morphing yeah so

2985
02:39:45,290 --> 02:39:40,590
what I mean is kind of changing shape

2986
02:39:50,569 --> 02:39:45,300
type of thing and like I say it was

2987
02:39:52,819 --> 02:39:50,579
broad daylight and that's what I saw wow

2988
02:39:59,479 --> 02:39:52,829
how long did it last and when you say

2989
02:40:06,469 --> 02:39:59,489
morph what did it morph into she's our

2990
02:40:09,139 --> 02:40:06,479
second I wish I I wish I could test what

2991
02:40:13,219 --> 02:40:09,149
that how high in the what was the

2992
02:40:18,889 --> 02:40:13,229
altitude well like I said it was it was

2993
02:40:20,990 --> 02:40:18,899
2 200 yards so 200 yards of so we here

2994
02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:21,000
offered if you're a golfer that's about

2995
02:40:28,250 --> 02:40:25,770
a 5-iron yeah right not for me that

2996
02:40:33,109 --> 02:40:28,260
would uh that's but you know 200 yards

2997
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:33,119
for me that between a 770 emanated yeah

2998
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:35,369
you know I'm joking you were supposed to

2999
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:38,450
laugh at that point okay so no I

3000
02:40:45,160 --> 02:40:41,120
I do do some guys with an 8-iron that

3001
02:40:48,131 --> 02:40:45,170
can crank crank off a 200-yard approach

3002
02:40:51,131 --> 02:40:48,141
shot but anyway back to this so it's 200

3003
02:40:53,860 --> 02:40:51,141
yards it's on top of you so you could

3004
02:40:55,841 --> 02:40:53,870
see detail so when you say that it was

3005
02:40:57,430 --> 02:40:55,851
silver and gold it was because you saw

3006
02:41:02,220 --> 02:40:57,440
it being silver and gold and it was

3007
02:41:07,690 --> 02:41:02,230
metallic yeah that's that's right yeah

3008
02:41:10,060 --> 02:41:07,700
Wow yeah very cool very heavy I mean for

3009
02:41:12,011 --> 02:41:10,070
me it's probably the most significant

3010
02:41:17,080 --> 02:41:12,021
thing about the whole thing

3011
02:41:21,460 --> 02:41:17,090
is that I think that I did summon it but

3012
02:41:24,190 --> 02:41:21,470
I didn't I didn't realize because it's

3013
02:41:27,341 --> 02:41:24,200
not like with this dialogue that I was

3014
02:41:30,190 --> 02:41:27,351
having it's not like have you did in the

3015
02:41:31,690 --> 02:41:30,200
past I'd you know I'd look up there and

3016
02:41:34,570 --> 02:41:31,700
I say jeez I wish you guys would just

3017
02:41:37,091 --> 02:41:34,580
show yourself type of thing you know and

3018
02:41:38,890 --> 02:41:37,101
but it's not like that's what I was

3019
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:38,900
doing at that time

3020
02:41:46,450 --> 02:41:42,800
but as confirmation sort of the way that

3021
02:41:48,910 --> 02:41:46,460
I interpreted it it showed itself to

3022
02:41:52,180 --> 02:41:48,920
confirm that it was actually listening

3023
02:41:54,551 --> 02:41:52,190
to what I was to the DA to the

3024
02:41:56,470 --> 02:41:54,561
conversation that I was having you know

3025
02:42:01,060 --> 02:41:56,480
yeah it's cool when it happens like that

3026
02:42:05,881 --> 02:42:01,070
and what you should do I mean have you

3027
02:42:09,730 --> 02:42:05,891
tried to repeat it you know what I I

3028
02:42:11,650 --> 02:42:09,740
thought that you'd probably ask me ask

3029
02:42:12,460 --> 02:42:11,660
you that question and no I haven't

3030
02:42:16,060 --> 02:42:12,470
actually

3031
02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:16,070
okay what you should that's the next

3032
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:26,110
yeah I just want to say thank you for

3033
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:28,730
the phone call and and I just like those

3034
02:42:34,030 --> 02:42:32,000
kinds of experiences because I know that

3035
02:42:37,540 --> 02:42:34,040
they are real and and when it happens

3036
02:42:39,580 --> 02:42:37,550
for you then you know you know and the

3037
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:39,590
next step though because with all of the

3038
02:42:44,261 --> 02:42:42,080
sightings that we've had and our

3039
02:42:47,530 --> 02:42:44,271
experiences and especially with night

3040
02:42:49,210 --> 02:42:47,540
watching a night vision is when we went

3041
02:42:50,421 --> 02:42:49,220
back for the second time the third time

3042
02:42:52,911 --> 02:42:50,431
the fourth time

3043
02:42:55,310 --> 02:42:52,921
have it repeat itself and and you know

3044
02:42:58,100 --> 02:42:55,320
that this is this is actually going on

3045
02:43:00,291 --> 02:42:58,110
in the skies that's the exciting part so

3046
02:43:03,770 --> 02:43:00,301
there you go go do it again what was

3047
02:43:05,511 --> 02:43:03,780
your name my name is Paul thank you Paul

3048
02:43:09,261 --> 02:43:05,521
for the phone call and be safe up there

3049
02:43:11,781 --> 02:43:09,271
in Vancouver I love that city okay

3050
02:43:13,850 --> 02:43:11,791
thanks yeah thank you great phone call

3051
02:43:16,100 --> 02:43:13,860
right there first-time caller Paul up in

3052
02:43:17,361 --> 02:43:16,110
Vancouver let's go back to the phones hi

3053
02:43:20,991 --> 02:43:17,371
you're live on paid to block who's

3054
02:43:24,140 --> 02:43:21,001
calling hey Jerry it's lesson Austin hey

3055
02:43:27,411 --> 02:43:24,150
lesson Austin how are you I'm good buddy

3056
02:43:29,961 --> 02:43:27,421
hey you know what I call trying to make

3057
02:43:33,111 --> 02:43:29,971
sense and discern out of what does not

3058
02:43:36,591 --> 02:43:33,121
make sense the ultimate conspiracy and

3059
02:43:39,801 --> 02:43:36,601
you know as well as I do in a previous

3060
02:43:44,571 --> 02:43:39,811
incarnation my career I shot commercial

3061
02:43:47,631 --> 02:43:44,581
video in casinos in Vegas you can't do

3062
02:43:51,261 --> 02:43:47,641
that you can't have a video camera in

3063
02:43:54,350 --> 02:43:51,271
Vegas and a casino without permission

3064
02:43:56,871 --> 02:43:54,360
you can when you do because the

3065
02:44:00,680 --> 02:43:56,881
professional reason security is already

3066
02:44:04,071 --> 02:44:00,690
there not only that they know that

3067
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:04,081
they're the Islamic info door of sin and

3068
02:44:12,591 --> 02:44:07,650
they can afford to pay the best minds to

3069
02:44:15,770 --> 02:44:12,601
protect them and not only that every

3070
02:44:18,350 --> 02:44:15,780
single professional the best at their

3071
02:44:21,980 --> 02:44:18,360
trade ripoff artists and con artist

3072
02:44:25,821 --> 02:44:21,990
trials to hit Vegas and they are the

3073
02:44:28,341 --> 02:44:25,831
Fort Knox of protecting their billions

3074
02:44:32,690 --> 02:44:28,351
of dollars from being ripped off

3075
02:44:35,661 --> 02:44:32,700
they've got metal detectors where you

3076
02:44:40,611 --> 02:44:35,671
can't see it you can't move anything up

3077
02:44:43,161 --> 02:44:40,621
a stairway or elevator and your luggage

3078
02:44:46,961 --> 02:44:43,171
is x-rayed and you don't even know it

3079
02:44:51,470 --> 02:44:46,971
every nook and cranny is videotaped

3080
02:44:54,171 --> 02:44:51,480
there there's no way he could have video

3081
02:44:56,871 --> 02:44:54,181
cameras set up without him seeing it

3082
02:44:59,451 --> 02:44:56,881
there's no way he could put an arsenal

3083
02:45:02,720 --> 02:44:59,461
in his room without them seeing it I

3084
02:45:03,969 --> 02:45:02,730
tell you what happened and security

3085
02:45:07,719 --> 02:45:03,979
knows the

3086
02:45:08,889 --> 02:45:07,729
police know the police chief what's he

3087
02:45:13,029 --> 02:45:08,899
going to do about it

3088
02:45:16,090 --> 02:45:13,039
lose his job Trump knows about it he

3089
02:45:20,590 --> 02:45:16,100
owned a casino the black suits came in

3090
02:45:23,170 --> 02:45:20,600
there and they was no-name acronym for

3091
02:45:25,689 --> 02:45:23,180
who they were and says we're here now

3092
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:25,699
we're taken over they were probably in

3093
02:45:31,660 --> 02:45:28,850
the control room of security when this

3094
02:45:34,599 --> 02:45:31,670
whole thing happened there is some dark

3095
02:45:36,819 --> 02:45:34,609
stuff going on in this world and people

3096
02:45:37,899 --> 02:45:36,829
better wake up on the way the real world

3097
02:45:42,910 --> 02:45:37,909
works

3098
02:45:46,809 --> 02:45:42,920
because the only justice and and order

3099
02:45:50,349 --> 02:45:46,819
that exists exists for some very high up

3100
02:45:53,109 --> 02:45:50,359
dark forces on this planet we need to

3101
02:45:55,420 --> 02:45:53,119
wake up thank you for the phone call les

3102
02:45:58,359 --> 02:45:55,430
I totally agree with you man this is

3103
02:46:01,689 --> 02:45:58,369
just smelling you know stinkier and

3104
02:46:04,059 --> 02:46:01,699
stinkier as the days and minutes and and

3105
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:04,069
stuff roll by thank you for that I

3106
02:46:08,859 --> 02:46:06,409
appreciate insight no worries brother

3107
02:46:12,059 --> 02:46:08,869
it's Fort Knox in Vegas and all we know

3108
02:46:17,399 --> 02:46:12,069
the way with anything we know that it is

3109
02:46:22,029 --> 02:46:17,409
thank you so much less thank you and see

3110
02:46:24,670 --> 02:46:22,039
this up yesterday and and I really do

3111
02:46:28,420 --> 02:46:24,680
mean this you can't when it come when it

3112
02:46:32,050 --> 02:46:28,430
comes to Las Vegas you really can't do

3113
02:46:35,679 --> 02:46:32,060
if everything is just watched right and

3114
02:46:38,050 --> 02:46:35,689
so with that room on the 32nd floor

3115
02:46:42,130 --> 02:46:38,060
forget about all the other evidence just

3116
02:46:44,099 --> 02:46:42,140
just remember this how is it that the

3117
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:44,109
second that those shots didn't get fired

3118
02:46:48,939 --> 02:46:47,210
that that got fired that the room across

3119
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:48,949
the hall the room next door somebody

3120
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:50,210
isn't calling down to the front desk

3121
02:46:54,729 --> 02:46:52,010
some security isn't notified there were

3122
02:46:57,580 --> 02:46:54,739
video cameras in the hallway the guy put

3123
02:46:59,739 --> 02:46:57,590
video cameras in the hallway so he could

3124
02:47:02,380 --> 02:46:59,749
see and and nobody saw him do it nobody

3125
02:47:04,989 --> 02:47:02,390
questioned you know nobody knew anything

3126
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:04,999
the looking at the amount of weapons

3127
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:06,560
that were in that room and the way that

3128
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:08,329
he had it all set up and that we've now

3129
02:47:14,649 --> 02:47:10,010
seen the photographs they were published

3130
02:47:17,241 --> 02:47:14,659
today leaked today housekeeping right

3131
02:47:18,651 --> 02:47:17,251
how do you hide that many weapons

3132
02:47:20,751 --> 02:47:18,661
okay now are they gonna say that

3133
02:47:23,571 --> 02:47:20,761
housekeeping didn't go in I had heard

3134
02:47:26,361 --> 02:47:23,581
that you know that they did go in and

3135
02:47:29,091 --> 02:47:26,371
they didn't see anything wrong with his

3136
02:47:32,751 --> 02:47:29,101
room how is that how do you hide that

3137
02:47:37,310 --> 02:47:32,761
many weapons you know last count it's 23

3138
02:47:41,531 --> 02:47:37,320
one handgun 23 high-powered assault

3139
02:47:46,191 --> 02:47:41,541
rifles right in his room tripods and and

3140
02:47:48,230 --> 02:47:46,201
telesco it's just crazy the entire thing

3141
02:47:50,901 --> 02:47:48,240
it just isn't adding up then you combine

3142
02:47:53,661 --> 02:47:50,911
his background also I'll tell you

3143
02:47:57,051 --> 02:47:53,671
something else he wired now his

3144
02:47:59,841 --> 02:47:57,061
girlfriend his roommate or whatever I

3145
02:48:00,801 --> 02:47:59,851
had said the other day that she was with

3146
02:48:02,421 --> 02:48:00,811
him for a long time

3147
02:48:04,131 --> 02:48:02,431
now they're saying that she was with him

3148
02:48:08,001 --> 02:48:04,141
for a year we don't know anything but a

3149
02:48:08,390 --> 02:48:08,011
year so you know short term relationship

3150
02:48:11,961 --> 02:48:08,400
here

3151
02:48:14,661 --> 02:48:11,971
he sent a hundred thousand dollars to

3152
02:48:19,841 --> 02:48:14,671
the Philippines a couple of days before

3153
02:48:22,581 --> 02:48:19,851
the incident now that's a bit suspicious

3154
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:22,591
you know what what is it that she knows

3155
02:48:25,821 --> 02:48:24,240
I have heard that she's detained I've

3156
02:48:29,691 --> 02:48:25,831
heard that she's not detained

3157
02:48:32,480 --> 02:48:29,701
you know she's key to this what did she

3158
02:48:35,211 --> 02:48:32,490
know and why if she did know something

3159
02:48:38,060 --> 02:48:35,221
why didn't she notify anybody it's uh

3160
02:48:39,321 --> 02:48:38,070
it's pretty crazy let's go back to the

3161
02:48:42,921 --> 02:48:39,331
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3162
02:48:46,941 --> 02:48:42,931
who's calling Damien for Hamilton hey

3163
02:48:50,180 --> 02:48:46,951
Damien from Hamilton how are you uh I'm

3164
02:48:54,261 --> 02:48:50,190
doing alright I'm pacing back and forth

3165
02:48:56,361 --> 02:48:54,271
in my back yard with no shoes on and the

3166
02:49:00,831 --> 02:48:56,371
reason is all the stuff that's going on

3167
02:49:06,220 --> 02:49:00,841
Jimmy not just here in our country but

3168
02:49:09,911 --> 02:49:06,230
around the world like I said before it's

3169
02:49:13,730 --> 02:49:09,921
you know there's powers out there that

3170
02:49:16,730 --> 02:49:13,740
try to steer us in the wrong direction

3171
02:49:17,270 --> 02:49:16,740
and one thing that would ask for all of

3172
02:49:20,810 --> 02:49:17,280
us

3173
02:49:24,140 --> 02:49:20,820
and especially in these times is that we

3174
02:49:25,941 --> 02:49:24,150
can just sit back you know just close

3175
02:49:30,321 --> 02:49:25,951
our eyes think about the most positive

3176
02:49:31,790 --> 02:49:30,331
thing it can be anything a memory family

3177
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:31,800
member

3178
02:49:40,820 --> 02:49:36,560
most positive a so their eyes and

3179
02:49:43,939 --> 02:49:40,830
redirect this positive energy back to

3180
02:49:47,389 --> 02:49:43,949
the dark forces that are doing this with

3181
02:49:49,610 --> 02:49:47,399
Jimmy that's all you can do you know and

3182
02:49:54,229 --> 02:49:49,620
is simple and elemental as that sounds

3183
02:49:58,580 --> 02:49:54,239
us all you can do you know that yeah and

3184
02:50:01,099 --> 02:49:58,590
it's just there's no no words to

3185
02:50:03,639 --> 02:50:01,109
describe the stuff that goes on and how

3186
02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:03,649
people are affected but we have to

3187
02:50:11,630 --> 02:50:08,970
continue to to think positive hard to

3188
02:50:13,099 --> 02:50:11,640
for especially for some people that had

3189
02:50:17,290 --> 02:50:13,109
people are involved in certain

3190
02:50:21,439 --> 02:50:17,300
situations but we have to Jimmy because

3191
02:50:24,860 --> 02:50:21,449
it's the greater picture and their

3192
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:24,870
feeling of stuff from left to right up

3193
02:50:30,620 --> 02:50:28,800
and down and trying to like it's like I

3194
02:50:34,899 --> 02:50:30,630
said before Jim it's just they're just

3195
02:50:38,780 --> 02:50:34,909
trying to scare us and the path that

3196
02:50:43,519 --> 02:50:38,790
we're not gonna fall into that and we're

3197
02:50:45,620 --> 02:50:43,529
just like I said let's try to battle

3198
02:50:47,689 --> 02:50:45,630
there's one day at a time Jimmy we're

3199
02:50:49,939 --> 02:50:47,699
all fit together that's it that's it

3200
02:50:51,889 --> 02:50:49,949
Damian and and thank you for that and

3201
02:50:54,139 --> 02:50:51,899
you're reminding us again how to stay

3202
02:50:56,030 --> 02:50:54,149
centered and keep your feet on the

3203
02:50:58,729 --> 02:50:56,040
ground and stay focused and I thank you

3204
02:51:00,500 --> 02:50:58,739
for exactly so yeah just try to ground

3205
02:51:03,679 --> 02:51:00,510
ourselves with difficult times it's up

3206
02:51:07,460 --> 02:51:03,689
but hey we can we can try to move

3207
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:07,470
forward and and not let this defeat us

3208
02:51:13,880 --> 02:51:11,040
and like I keep on saying things will be

3209
02:51:15,410 --> 02:51:13,890
okay and I know that sounds weird from

3210
02:51:18,920 --> 02:51:15,420
you saying right now especially after

3211
02:51:21,679 --> 02:51:18,930
certain event but we just have to say

3212
02:51:24,139 --> 02:51:21,689
together Jimmy and just focus all our

3213
02:51:27,290 --> 02:51:24,149
positive energies we directed right back

3214
02:51:29,630 --> 02:51:27,300
at them right back thank you so much

3215
02:51:34,099 --> 02:51:29,640
Damian ago I'll cool your feet in the

3216
02:51:36,380 --> 02:51:34,109
tall grass that's what I'm talking about

3217
02:51:37,729 --> 02:51:36,390
Thank You Damian behave we'll see you

3218
02:51:42,950 --> 02:51:37,739
tomorrow night I got it

3219
02:51:45,109 --> 02:51:42,960
yeah great phone call thank you the the

3220
02:51:49,929 --> 02:51:45,119
ability for look

3221
02:51:53,929 --> 02:51:49,939
when when the news broke on this Rita

3222
02:51:57,199 --> 02:51:53,939
immediately we watched a little bit of

3223
02:51:59,659 --> 02:51:57,209
the live coverage okay and she

3224
02:52:01,339 --> 02:51:59,669
immediately it was Rita not me

3225
02:52:04,089 --> 02:52:01,349
it was Rita that termini and said that's

3226
02:52:07,219 --> 02:52:04,099
it okay turn it off we're done and

3227
02:52:07,849 --> 02:52:07,229
cannot get sucked into they it's it's

3228
02:52:10,429 --> 02:52:07,859
tragic

3229
02:52:13,099 --> 02:52:10,439
what was going down and at the time when

3230
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:13,109
we turned it off if you remember there

3231
02:52:19,189 --> 02:52:15,289
was only the reports were eight people

3232
02:52:22,249 --> 02:52:19,199
killed and and 20 injured we didn't find

3233
02:52:27,529 --> 02:52:22,259
out in until the morning the real

3234
02:52:30,559 --> 02:52:27,539
numbers but that being said had to had

3235
02:52:33,260 --> 02:52:30,569
to do just that let this thing play out

3236
02:52:36,349 --> 02:52:33,270
but not you know do our best not to let

3237
02:52:39,919 --> 02:52:36,359
it affect us and the reason why I spoke

3238
02:52:43,699 --> 02:52:39,929
about San Ysidro today the McDonald

3239
02:52:47,809 --> 02:52:43,709
shooting from 1984 that is still the

3240
02:52:50,869 --> 02:52:47,819
sixth largest event like that in US

3241
02:52:54,199 --> 02:52:50,879
history it was massive and it was in

3242
02:52:57,289 --> 02:52:54,209
nineteen eighty four shootings like this

3243
02:53:01,279 --> 02:52:57,299
mass shootings like this are not so it

3244
02:53:05,739 --> 02:53:01,289
feels new it does with Aurora and Sandy

3245
02:53:08,510 --> 02:53:05,749
Hook and and Orlando San Bernardino and

3246
02:53:10,639 --> 02:53:08,520
that these are all events that happen

3247
02:53:13,119 --> 02:53:10,649
just recently right think of the

3248
02:53:17,119 --> 02:53:13,129
nightclub shooting in Paris right

3249
02:53:19,819 --> 02:53:17,129
Charlie Hebdo all of these seem recent I

3250
02:53:25,309 --> 02:53:19,829
mean all of those are reason but if you

3251
02:53:29,499 --> 02:53:25,319
go back to the McDonald's shooting in in

3252
02:53:33,619 --> 02:53:29,509
San Ysidro and how that went down

3253
02:53:40,609 --> 02:53:33,629
seemingly up to that point the shooter

3254
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:40,619
was kind of just a guy okay kind of just

3255
02:53:47,419 --> 02:53:43,770
a guy just like this paddock character

3256
02:53:50,209 --> 02:53:47,429
this perp right apparently just a guy

3257
02:53:52,399 --> 02:53:50,219
that liked to gamble and was apparently

3258
02:53:55,519 --> 02:53:52,409
successful and owned a few houses and

3259
02:53:57,841 --> 02:53:55,529
maybe a lot of property and was off of

3260
02:54:01,440 --> 02:53:57,851
the radar and and and

3261
02:54:02,850 --> 02:54:01,450
it's this isn't anything new so if we

3262
02:54:04,650 --> 02:54:02,860
take this at face value

3263
02:54:07,650 --> 02:54:04,660
right now this is feeling a little bit

3264
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:07,660
strange source feels like and it's easy

3265
02:54:11,761 --> 02:54:10,000
to and this is what I'm saying it's easy

3266
02:54:13,950 --> 02:54:11,771
now to go down the conspiracy road

3267
02:54:17,190 --> 02:54:13,960
because this guy there's nothing there

3268
02:54:19,350 --> 02:54:17,200
right there's not there's you know it's

3269
02:54:22,171 --> 02:54:19,360
not like he's ex-military he was trained

3270
02:54:24,001 --> 02:54:22,181
for this he was pissed off he was you

3271
02:54:25,440 --> 02:54:24,011
know he was angry he was making public

3272
02:54:27,780 --> 02:54:25,450
statements he was saying things to his

3273
02:54:29,761 --> 02:54:27,790
family and they knew that you know this

3274
02:54:33,091 --> 02:54:29,771
was possible and he was threatening no

3275
02:54:35,190 --> 02:54:33,101
none of this comes into play here so now

3276
02:54:37,470 --> 02:54:35,200
the conspiracy side of things trying to

3277
02:54:39,780 --> 02:54:37,480
unravel this and figure out a motive and

3278
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:39,790
what drove this guy to do this if there

3279
02:54:43,801 --> 02:54:41,530
was a motive or if there was other

3280
02:54:45,900 --> 02:54:43,811
forces in play right

3281
02:54:47,820 --> 02:54:45,910
you know this hundred grand that he

3282
02:54:51,841 --> 02:54:47,830
shipped off I don't know what's behind

3283
02:54:54,211 --> 02:54:51,851
that hundred grand that's a lot of money

3284
02:54:56,551 --> 02:54:54,221
I don't care who you are a hundred

3285
02:55:00,200 --> 02:54:56,561
thousand dollars is a lot of money so is

3286
02:55:03,810 --> 02:55:00,210
there another motivation behind that

3287
02:55:06,030 --> 02:55:03,820
think about I don't know was he paid to

3288
02:55:08,041 --> 02:55:06,040
do this I don't know did he take the

3289
02:55:10,801 --> 02:55:08,051
money and then send it was he paid I

3290
02:55:13,291 --> 02:55:10,811
don't know I don't have the answers and

3291
02:55:15,421 --> 02:55:13,301
I'm just speculating on all of this the

3292
02:55:18,480 --> 02:55:15,431
information is raining down on and so

3293
02:55:21,870 --> 02:55:18,490
fast right now on a guy that we don't

3294
02:55:23,820 --> 02:55:21,880
know anything about it gets more and

3295
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:23,830
more interesting as this starts to play

3296
02:55:31,291 --> 02:55:27,610
out so I know I want to go back to these

3297
02:55:35,341 --> 02:55:31,301
leaked photographs today leaked right

3298
02:55:36,660 --> 02:55:35,351
now okay how do we look at this the the

3299
02:55:38,791 --> 02:55:36,670
police chief is saying that they were

3300
02:55:40,770 --> 02:55:38,801
leaked well that says to me that they

3301
02:55:42,421 --> 02:55:40,780
were not leaked that's the first I mean

3302
02:55:46,251 --> 02:55:42,431
I just have to look at it that way

3303
02:55:49,381 --> 02:55:46,261
so why did they do it who did it right a

3304
02:55:52,291 --> 02:55:49,391
professional photographer was in that

3305
02:55:57,631 --> 02:55:52,301
room and then Turner I've photographed

3306
02:55:59,160 --> 02:55:57,641
the body his face right all of it the

3307
02:56:01,140 --> 02:55:59,170
wet and then turns around as a

3308
02:56:03,060 --> 02:56:01,150
professional and leaks the photograph

3309
02:56:06,390 --> 02:56:03,070
the police chief knows who took the

3310
02:56:08,430 --> 02:56:06,400
photographs right or and and this is the

3311
02:56:09,980 --> 02:56:08,440
who had access to that room some of them

3312
02:56:12,530 --> 02:56:09,990
were feds

3313
02:56:15,800 --> 02:56:12,540
some of the Bur LAPD ATF is involved you

3314
02:56:20,090 --> 02:56:15,810
know the FBI is involved they have to be

3315
02:56:24,140 --> 02:56:20,100
think about this and so they know

3316
02:56:27,320 --> 02:56:24,150
everybody that had access and they know

3317
02:56:29,750 --> 02:56:27,330
who leaked so were they leaked or was

3318
02:56:32,660 --> 02:56:29,760
this done intentionally I have man I

3319
02:56:35,690 --> 02:56:32,670
have no idea how this why this is

3320
02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:35,700
playing out like it is and we all of us

3321
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:39,210
all of us and we're very smart we're

3322
02:56:45,230 --> 02:56:42,000
very smart we have the ability right now

3323
02:56:48,469 --> 02:56:45,240
to stop slow down and analyze this

3324
02:56:50,510 --> 02:56:48,479
situation but it's not go off on any

3325
02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:50,520
rails here we have the ability to

3326
02:56:54,590 --> 02:56:51,930
collect our information and try to

3327
02:56:55,910 --> 02:56:54,600
figure this out for ourselves right and

3328
02:56:58,100 --> 02:56:55,920
that's what we're gonna do that's why

3329
02:57:00,410 --> 02:56:58,110
you guys are fader knots that's why we

3330
02:57:02,570 --> 02:57:00,420
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3331
02:57:04,430 --> 02:57:02,580
right here on fade to black

3332
02:57:06,140 --> 02:57:04,440
I want to thank Larry Holcomb for coming

3333
02:57:08,810 --> 02:57:06,150
in tonight absolutely fascinating

3334
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:08,820
conversation he is one of the best the

3335
02:57:15,590 --> 02:57:12,690
presidents and UFOs the secrets between

3336
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:15,600
FDR and Obama go and check out the book

3337
02:57:17,810 --> 02:57:17,010
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3338
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:17,820
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3339
02:57:22,040 --> 02:57:20,160
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3342
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from fade to black of the GameChanger

3356
02:58:01,041 --> 02:57:58,681
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3357
02:58:03,711 --> 02:58:01,051
tomorrow night right here james

3358
02:58:08,091 --> 02:58:03,721
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3359
02:58:10,901 --> 02:58:08,101
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3360
02:58:20,680 --> 02:58:10,911
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